Well, one good thing is that the character with the fetish is not the heroine. She is in fact the hero's sister, and is shrill and shrew and vain, so you could write off her fetishism as a characteristic of "someone bad". However, I'm trying to show that she is not someone bad. She's a paper doll created by Gaskell to show us the heroine is brilliant, and I want to show instead that she could be a real person, who is a product of her society and the way in which she was brought up, and actually she's sort of interesting. And her fetishism is one thing I gave her to make her interesting--to show that she's so small in some ways because she has such wild fantasies in others.
In the adaptation she has this one weird random line about the Alhambra, and now in my head she is completely obsessed by 15th c. Muslim architecture--but I don't think she would actually care what Islam even is, so it's not as though she goes on about 15th c. Muslim architecture, she just happens to get obsessed with Mozambique.
There are a whole lot of class issues in N&S, and so class issues do come up in what I'm writing, though not as much as in N&S. I do think the reason I'm like this about N&S is I feel comfortable getting into something that addresses issues like that, but maybe that's just me wanting to feel good about myself. But race of course does not get addressed. I would *like* to address it in the parts about this secondary character, but I don't know how without it becoming a huge issue that's not really central to my story.
How could you not think I'd be excited about discussions of politics and literature?
Well, there's probably a lot that is shippery fluff, or something. I'm being rather half-assed about the politics, which doesn't quite sit right with me. There are some REALLY interesting issues here, but I don't have the answers to them. What I wanted to do is bring them up, and show that they are issues, and that there might not be an answer, which I feel that I did, to some extent. But then the hero and the heroine (the ones who differ politically) are all, "Well, we don't quite agree on these issues, but I see that you might have a point and I am interested in continuing this discussion..." and then...where else do I go with it? They're not going to agree. His viewpoint makes me uncomfortable, but hers is untenable. She bought him Wealth of Nations to show that she would not condemn him for being a self-interested capitalist, though, and he bought her Keats to show he's not all pounds and pennies. She teased him for being maudlin.
This is how I feel about the friction between capitalist self-interest and a more humanitarian socialism in real life--I just don't have an objective viewpoint to encompass every issue. I guess one doesn't need one, but it's why I'm unhappy discussing politics; everyone else is decisive and I feel I so often can't be. But anyway, because I don't go elsewhere with it after that, but the fic still goes on and on, the political discussion feels sort of stuck in there, as though I did it because I had an agenda, which I did. I mean, Gaskell very much had agendas. I want to show it is an ongoing issue in the relationship, but I don't know how--the central theme is really Victorian silence, and the problem is these characters are silent about sex, desire, and their dysfunctional families, but not about how they feel on political issues.
Anywho, I like the idea of my heroine making some comment on Miss Secondary Character's fetishism; that might work.
Every so often the Feedback Debate rolls around and people quaver, "I'm so afraid to give it!" but I've never been flamed!
I've never given it to someone who hasn't asked. I know that when I was first posting things, especially the experimental things with which I was uncomfortable, I put right there on the story that I wanted crit.
But you know what I mean
I do! I know lots of people who say they don't really want to know the truth about what everyone thinks about them. I think that they are remarkably honest with themselves for admitting that, but I really think I want to know. I have such a good opinion of myself, I feel like I could take it, and I'm just DYING of curiosity.
I'll be interested to see what you do think of the Victorian monstrosity if you do read it...
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In the adaptation she has this one weird random line about the Alhambra, and now in my head she is completely obsessed by 15th c. Muslim architecture--but I don't think she would actually care what Islam even is, so it's not as though she goes on about 15th c. Muslim architecture, she just happens to get obsessed with Mozambique.
There are a whole lot of class issues in N&S, and so class issues do come up in what I'm writing, though not as much as in N&S. I do think the reason I'm like this about N&S is I feel comfortable getting into something that addresses issues like that, but maybe that's just me wanting to feel good about myself. But race of course does not get addressed. I would *like* to address it in the parts about this secondary character, but I don't know how without it becoming a huge issue that's not really central to my story.
How could you not think I'd be excited about discussions of politics and literature?
Well, there's probably a lot that is shippery fluff, or something. I'm being rather half-assed about the politics, which doesn't quite sit right with me. There are some REALLY interesting issues here, but I don't have the answers to them. What I wanted to do is bring them up, and show that they are issues, and that there might not be an answer, which I feel that I did, to some extent. But then the hero and the heroine (the ones who differ politically) are all, "Well, we don't quite agree on these issues, but I see that you might have a point and I am interested in continuing this discussion..." and then...where else do I go with it? They're not going to agree. His viewpoint makes me uncomfortable, but hers is untenable. She bought him Wealth of Nations to show that she would not condemn him for being a self-interested capitalist, though, and he bought her Keats to show he's not all pounds and pennies. She teased him for being maudlin.
This is how I feel about the friction between capitalist self-interest and a more humanitarian socialism in real life--I just don't have an objective viewpoint to encompass every issue. I guess one doesn't need one, but it's why I'm unhappy discussing politics; everyone else is decisive and I feel I so often can't be. But anyway, because I don't go elsewhere with it after that, but the fic still goes on and on, the political discussion feels sort of stuck in there, as though I did it because I had an agenda, which I did. I mean, Gaskell very much had agendas. I want to show it is an ongoing issue in the relationship, but I don't know how--the central theme is really Victorian silence, and the problem is these characters are silent about sex, desire, and their dysfunctional families, but not about how they feel on political issues.
Anywho, I like the idea of my heroine making some comment on Miss Secondary Character's fetishism; that might work.
Every so often the Feedback Debate rolls around and people quaver, "I'm so afraid to give it!" but I've never been flamed!
I've never given it to someone who hasn't asked. I know that when I was first posting things, especially the experimental things with which I was uncomfortable, I put right there on the story that I wanted crit.
But you know what I mean
I do! I know lots of people who say they don't really want to know the truth about what everyone thinks about them. I think that they are remarkably honest with themselves for admitting that, but I really think I want to know. I have such a good opinion of myself, I feel like I could take it, and I'm just DYING of curiosity.
I'll be interested to see what you do think of the Victorian monstrosity if you do read it...