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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2012-12-16 04:45 pm

Due South

In cases such as these, I believe the common expression is, "Fandom, why did you not tell me?"

However, in this instance, I believe to express such a sentiment would be unfair, because fandom did tell me. Due South wasn't the hugest show to ever hit America, but I've been hearing about it since I've been a part of fandom--or at least since I got a livejournal.

It's not even the case that fandom did not adequately express the unadulterated joy that this show is. It's just that fandom expresses joy quite often and with such exuberance, it really is difficult to tell whether it is a joy in which I will share, or to which I will react with general bemusement. Regarding Due South--fandom, I share the joy.

I often feel like books, movies, tv, and other assorted media have the discussions I want to have better than most people; they discuss morality and existence and the difficulty of relationships between people. Finding a new one that you like is like meeting a life-long friend who will never, not once, recognize that you exist.

Fandom, of course, is the answer. Fandom is the life-long friend who recognizes you. Canon is the absent third between you, who instead of being conspicuous in absence, is merely more deeply loved. And yet, I feel like I am bad at fandom. I'm bad at being friends with the wonderful, lovely people I know when we don't share a canon between us in the bed, and I'm bad at meeting people in a fandom that's new to me.

...This was supposed to be a post where I said, "OMG DUE SOUTH! Anyone? Can someone look at my fic and talk about it with me? Anyone?" But then I got obsessed with feeling sorry for myself.
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[personal profile] staranise 2012-12-17 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
I'm new to Due South too. I'm actually kind of... ambivalent? In the sense of "two powerful forces smashing into each other." Because on one hand, the show is full of SO MUCH JOY. And so much wonderful, amazing things. And on the other hand, the more I get steeped in Canada's racial injustices and the RCMP's racist/genocidal history with the First Nations and Inuit, the more I am like... gleeful thing, you are dancing on graves. Fuck, I can't enjoy this any more.
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[personal profile] staranise 2012-12-17 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm staying away from fandom because I don't know. The world is horribly broken and aaah. And "problematic" or "making people who work in the area twitch" are not the same as "bad" and "ought never be done". I guess it sounds contradictory when I say it, but: the fact that I see something as problematic and racist and feel hurt by it does not mean that other people should not do/write/watch/love it. It doesn't make them bad people. It means they just don't have the same sensibilities.

Because really, the thing that's really setting my nerves twanging lately is... the Canadian government worked really studiously for a hundred years (well into Fraser's childhood) to obliterate aboriginal language and culture. The job of the RCMP was often to separate aboriginal children from their families and take them to residential schools. But now here we have Fraser, who grew up with a thorough knowledge of Inuktitut and Inuit culture. Hence the "dancing on graves" feeling.

At the same time... can I ask Due South to be any different? Can I ask it not to exist? Can I ask it to only reflect some alternate world where there isn't this tension? Because that such a person with such an upbringing would have that knowledge is not impossible or even improbable.

And Due South did address these issues, as much as it can. It gives the culture visibility and makes it relatable. It's sensitive to the problems (even though I don't know that non-Canadian viewers would pick up on that). Heck, the entire original reason Fraser is in the States is because he exposed, ahem, a massive RCMP cover-up of a plan to totally fuck aboriginal people over.

So maybe I think it's not something wrong with the show. It's something wrong with reality, that the show reminds me of in really painful ways. And I can't expect a show to fix the reality. While no, I don't want people to be hella racist, when it's like this, when the problem is my inability to move past the kind of trauma I deal with in my job, into a place where I realize that the world can also be full of goodness and laughter? Then, I think it's my problem to deal with, not the show's problem for existing.
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[personal profile] staranise 2012-12-17 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
I missed the trip, due to a series of mishaps--I'll have to wait to go down till my passport renewal comes back in Januaryish.
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[personal profile] melannen 2012-12-17 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG Due South!

...yeah, unlike staranise, I lack deep thoughts on this show. But it makes me happy! And it is sort of weird in a way - I was reading the fic ages before I watched the show, and I always kind of forget that this is a show where canon fills me with exactly the same sort of fluffy joy that its fic does. Because that is quite rare.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2012-12-18 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
DUE SOUTH! Due South is the GREATEST and yay I am glad it is bringing you so much joy as well!

(and oh dude do I feel you on being bad at being friends without a shared canon and being bad at meeting people in a new fandom. It's hard work, yo!)
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[personal profile] theadaze 2013-01-18 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Hi there! :)

I have no thinky thoughts or fannish thoughts about Due South, because I watched it as a child with my mother and sister and it was a family bonding show for us. I tried to re-watch it again a couple of years ago, but it is rather strange to watch your childhood shows as a grown up. But it is a happy making show, for sure. :)

I often feel like books, movies, tv, and other assorted media have the discussions I want to have better than most people; they discuss morality and existence and the difficulty of relationships between people. Finding a new one that you like is like meeting a life-long friend who will never, not once, recognize that you exist.

This is so true and beautifully put. Although, it is very sad in a way...

I'm bad at meeting people in any life situation at all (fannish or otherwise), so I can very much relate to your thoughts. Also, it's why I feel embarrassed to ask if I could add you here on DW? XD I really loved your previous post as well and all the interesting discussions there, but I felt reluctant to comment randomly because of the difficult topic.

Actually, last summer I re-watched BtVS/AtS and found your fics for the first time, and on ffnet of all places. It was very random, since I rarely go there at all. But your fics are beautiful, so it was worth it. I then later found you on LJ (through Kita, I think, she seems to know everyone...). I know that we don't share a fandom anymore, which is not surprising because I don't really have any current fandoms at all, but everything you write is so lovely and thoughtful, so I love reading your posts regardless of fandom. :)
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[personal profile] theadaze 2013-01-18 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee, yeah, Kita is totally the fandom connector. :D

Thank you, added you back. And it's very lovely to meet you too! :)