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Period by-which-I-mean-"in-the-past" Entertainment
D. Yesterday a friend linked to Coleridge/Wordsworth slash. This is piece is full of heady language, slant rhyme, rhythm, and longing. It's totally what I imagined these two poets' relationship to be, back when I was in college and didn't even know I was shipping them.
R. It makes me ponder:
1. Did you ever slash Coleridge/Wordsworth?
2. What about Emerson/Thoreau and/or Shelley/Keats?
3. Have you ever slashed historic authors?
4. Historic figures, period?
5. Where do you find fanfic about this kind of thing?
6. Have you answered "no" to all these questions, but are intrigued anyway?
7. Where are all the classic romance lit and period romance film fans on lj? Where's all the fanfic? Where are all the challenges?
A. Speaking of historic smut, I found this slightly silly costume porn which I actually don't find silly at all. It's nominally Harry/Draco, but it's one of those AU, OOC (author says so herself!) fics that could be anyone. ANY SERVANT UNDRESSING A NOBLEMAN IN THE RENAISSANCE ERA WHERE THEY'RE BOTH GETTING TURNED ON MY THE INTRICACIES OF KNOTS AND GROMMETS AND HOISERY, PEOPLE. It's well done, written by someone who obviously knows what they're talking about insofar as costumes, and it makes a long drawn out process of getting undressed quite interesting.
M. They are making a new Jane Eyre with Ellen Page. The article I'm linking to says there've been more than 20 versions of JE. I'd actually been unhappy with the 6 versions I've seen. The most recent bigscreen adaptation was in 1996 with William Hurt, and admittedly it was awful. But last year BBC did a new one, and I was very happy with it, which is saying a lot considering it's one of my very favorite books for sentimental reasons.
And they are making two new Wuthering Heights, one with Natalie Portman. What gives, yo?
A. I still love North And South like an ever lovin' thing.
R. It makes me ponder:
1. Did you ever slash Coleridge/Wordsworth?
2. What about Emerson/Thoreau and/or Shelley/Keats?
3. Have you ever slashed historic authors?
4. Historic figures, period?
5. Where do you find fanfic about this kind of thing?
6. Have you answered "no" to all these questions, but are intrigued anyway?
7. Where are all the classic romance lit and period romance film fans on lj? Where's all the fanfic? Where are all the challenges?
A. Speaking of historic smut, I found this slightly silly costume porn which I actually don't find silly at all. It's nominally Harry/Draco, but it's one of those AU, OOC (author says so herself!) fics that could be anyone. ANY SERVANT UNDRESSING A NOBLEMAN IN THE RENAISSANCE ERA WHERE THEY'RE BOTH GETTING TURNED ON MY THE INTRICACIES OF KNOTS AND GROMMETS AND HOISERY, PEOPLE. It's well done, written by someone who obviously knows what they're talking about insofar as costumes, and it makes a long drawn out process of getting undressed quite interesting.
M. They are making a new Jane Eyre with Ellen Page. The article I'm linking to says there've been more than 20 versions of JE. I'd actually been unhappy with the 6 versions I've seen. The most recent bigscreen adaptation was in 1996 with William Hurt, and admittedly it was awful. But last year BBC did a new one, and I was very happy with it, which is saying a lot considering it's one of my very favorite books for sentimental reasons.
And they are making two new Wuthering Heights, one with Natalie Portman. What gives, yo?
A. I still love North And South like an ever lovin' thing.
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Pattern? What pattern?
Hey, go check out my latest post, it's all about writing! *beams*
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In some respects it probably has to do with marketing. Actresses are rarely so famous at 18 as they will be 5 years later, etc.
But I think a big part of it actually has to do with something that makes sense. In the Elizabethan era R&J were being initiated into adulthood, but these days 14 is far too young to marry, etc. And in Victorian times, 14 might've been a little young, but 18 was still definitely adult. These days people often don't leave the house, get married, get a job, get a dog, get a car, until 22-25. Imo it's therefore reasonable to make younger people older.
Still no excuse for making the older people younger just for the sex appeal, though.
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I think I'm just slightly frustrated because my intro to the world of fandom was an Austen site full of people fangirling over mostly period films. I wish there was a similar place, because there were a lot of people, but it was so centralized. I will not go back there, however, because there was a lot of censorship and overmodding.
I didn't know you were a Holmes fan!
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...where's the fic?
Thanks for the heads up on your post--it was awesome!
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As for slashing historic figures, I loved reading Mary Renault's novels on ancient Greece which had several characters both historic and fictional having same-sex relationships. I don't know if you can still call it slash when a) the books have the characters actually getting together and b) some if not all historians agree that the historic figures in question probably did have those relationships. *shrug*
I'm off to check out the H/D costume porn!
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You know, that's a good point - the marketing angle. The 1950s film "Oklahoma!" was pretty amusing, given how *old* the female star and supporting women were (I think Laurie is supposed to be 17.) It seemed to me that was definitely a case of "I paid my dues to I get a lead role" thing.
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It's vaguely intriguing to me, but we often don't know enough about their personalities alone, let alone their relationship dynamics, for me to really get hooked.
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Also there is a fun novella I found in the uni library once. It was all about putting the 'missing' sex scenes in Austen. LOL There was hilarious Charlotte Lucas (channeling dominatrix Lady Catherine) / Mr. Collins sex. Unfortunately I can't remember the title or author or anything. :(
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I'm sure I could find some historic/literature slash on Yuletide. But part of it is I want to meet the people interested in this kinda stuff, too. I miss my old Austen gang, I guess.
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I never thought about that, about slash mostly referring to subtext or relationships which never will get realized. I'm interested either way, though, so I don't suppose it matters.
It's not very H/D-y, like at all, but the costume!
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Yeah, I don't suppose we know enough about Shakespeare, but it's so interesting to extrapolate from his writing. Personally I find that more entertaining than RPS'ing actors, since what writers write is more personal than what actors act. And speculation about Shakespeare is so fraught with wild theories and criticism.
Don't know if you watch at all, but I love the ep of Doctor Who where Shakespeare started coming on to the Doctor, and the Doctor claimed that many academics would be feeling very vindicated in their theories of Will's bisexuality, had they been there to hear it.
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I've heard of that book! Don't think it's quite my cup of tea, since even though I'm interested in JA smut, my interest lies with the characters and how they interact than their Sooper Sekrit Sex Lives.
Though I did read a fanfic once based around the BBC/A&E P&P, in which Mr. Colins was actually a STUD, which was actually an acronym for something similar to "really hot super spy in a fat suit!" It was...quite the comedy.
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However, there is a lovely review on the IMDB page here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368658/). Just don't read the plot summary! Gah. It's terrible.
LOL I didn't really think you'd be interested in the book as more than a bit of novelty. That fanfic sounds hilarious! Linky?
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I am fuzzy on the Keats/Shelley relationship, since I know I've read fiction where they weren't actually friends. Shelley just really admired him. But who knows what that person based their stuff on.
I ship Byron with everyone, because he's hot and lame and stuff.
I also ship Jesus/Judas, but haven't read or written any. Do they count?
I am pretty sure more have occurred to me that I cannot think of right now, but I am intrigued and would read more if you found it. Oh, I don't know if Lawrence counts, because I sort of ship his filmic incarnations rather than himself.
As to Ellen Page, I am very, very worried about overexposure. She is everywhere and if she's not careful there will be fatigue. Especially since Juno was Not All That.
Also, they need to stop casting Portman as British. It is not working.
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Apparently I never did post my Shakespeare/Marlowe, or at least I never put it in my memories. It's still on my hard drive, though, so let me know if you ever want blackmail material. :)
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I'd love to read it! I meant to ask before! You should post it. But if not, my email is thekorapersonality@hotmail.com, and I'd love a peek!
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Dude, what? Shelley was like, *in love* with Keats. I actually think Keats was freaked out by Shelley's regard for him, though. Shelley wrote "Adonais" for Keats when Keats died. He definitely more than admired him (imo, obviously).
I actually think Byron is less interesting because he's so much less subtle.
Judas/Jesus counts, but IT WOULD COUNT MOAR IF YOU WROTE SOME. *fans self*
Lawrence counts! I think most of our ideas of historic characters are based on some form of interpretation, you know?
I'm not sure of heard of Page doing anything else since Juno...I just don't understand why anyone would think she's a good Jane, though. But now that I think about it...the last bigscreen Jane Eyre that had like super stars in it, I mean the kind that everyone would have heard about and everyone would go see because it was like a major blockbuster release, was probably the Orson Wells one. So though many have been made, they still haven't gotten huge exposure to the general public. I know me hearing of JE when I did (when I was 14), was a really random accident--because my parents aren't interested in the classics and because I was never taught anything like that in highschool, I probably could've made it all the way to college without ever having heard of it. Which seems weird, considering how often I hear about it now, but that has to do with being interested in it, so I seek it out.
That is all to say maybe there's some usefulness that comes with casting someone who's "big" right now as Jane, no matter how inappropriate she is for the actual part.
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I know that; I'm just saying that that novel I read about Shelley implied they didn't actually meet, just corresponded and it was an affair of poetry. But it was fiction, so I don't know if that was just some sort of laziness on the author's part or not.
I'm not sure of heard of Page doing anything else since Juno...
She's been in the "news" a lot lately, with things announced and movies she made before Juno coming out. I just hope she's not used up.
I can only imagine fannish neo-Eyre fans. We need a cute name for them. I only heard of it because of that girl I told you about who loved it and Jane Austen; I probably only went to the Hurt film because I'd read the book at her insistence. I don't know what another high-profile JE would do; with the internet spawning fandoms faster/easier than ever, which it wasn't so much in 1996 (?), it would impact us more than the general moviegoing public, I think.
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(Anonymous) 2008-05-14 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)Anyway, I was under the impression they'd met, more than once, but of course I could be wrong.
Eyreheads. Duh. The thing with the '96 one is that the only big names in it were Hurt and Paquin, and Paquin was very new (having just got famous from The Piano) and Hurt...well, is Hurt. Never done anything remotely interesting since Body Heat, which I actually didn't think was remotely interesting either.
But you're right about the internets.
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So could I. My experience is a YA novel.
Eyreheads. Of course. I'm stupid.
And you're right about Paquin and Hurt. Though I thought Kiss of the Spider Woman was interesting. Probably because it was the first time I saw two men kiss. YES IT ALL STARTED THERE!
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He and Raul Julia are cellmates in a South American prison--I think Julia's in there for some sort of political subversion? And Hurt tells him stories from movies. Eventually (as it's a prison movie) they hook up.