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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2009-02-13 02:51 pm
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Book: Warrior's Apprentice

I finished this book some time ago, which means I probably remember it just well enough to talk for 15 minutes :o) Oh, it's Warrior's Apprentice, by Lois McMaster Bujold.

This is a science fiction novel about a boy named Miles. The plot in this book doesn't matter that much to me, because it's the characters who shine forth. Wait, actually, the characters don't really matter that much to me either, because it's Miles who shines forth. Miles is the disabled son of some kind of lord, and he wants to go to space school like all the other kids. With that simple premise, Bujold follows through to fill out numerous kinks of mine:

1. Daddy issues. Mommy issues! Family issues.
2. The difficulty and pressures of living up to an image (and Miles's image, like my own personal one, is more his own than his family's, and thus far harder to live up to. Although he does have family issues, and his family putting pressure on him, the pressure he puts on himself is far worse, I think).
3. Making the best out of who you are (without waiting for it to come to you).

1+2+3 = fucked up, crazy sad funny sweet amazing shenanigans. In other words, I really loved this book; I really love Miles; and I really, really love space pirates.

The book starts off with Miles trying out for Space School (or whatever it's called. Whatever Ender did, you know? Or that's what I thought). I thought because the book was called Warrior's Apprentice, he was going to get into Space School, and that it would be kind of Ender's Game-y, or maybe Ender's Shadow-y, because Ender was the wonder child and Bean was the under dog. Miles starts out as the underdog, no doubt about that. I also had no doubt he would get into Space School with his brain, since his body obviously had trouble keeping up.

Miles has something like dwarfism, you see, and his bones are brittle like Samuel L. Jackson in that Bruce Willis movie. (This is a result of Miles's mother getting attacked when she was preggers with Miles. [...] She was attacked by aliens, but they were aliens from the planet she was on and only alien because it was another planet. It was nothing like Alien. Think more Star Wars, people. And Sammy L.) Anyway, so Miles was definitely getting into Space School, and it was going to be all about how everyone hated him there.

Except three pages in this book, Miles has failed to get into Space School, broken both his legs, and oh-yeah-will-never-get-into-Space-School-again.

The rest of the book is how Miles goes off to be a space pirate instead. He doesn't mean to; it's an accident. Space piracy just happens to some people.

You see why I loved this. Apparently I need to post more about it in installments.
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[identity profile] lakrids404.livejournal.com 2009-02-13 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I have read most of Bujold, she do write some lovely space-opera science fiction, who is mostly character driven action. Miles career in the books are thankfully not straightforward and Miles as brilliant, as he is, do have some large character flaws that makes him bearable to me, poor Ivan.

I start my self in Bujold's Miles-universe with Mirror Dance, and it still one my favorite Bujold books, and the angst goes to eleven.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Cool! It's nice to find other fans. I do plan on reading some of the other books, even though my experience with the prequel was not nearly so good as with Warrior's Apprentice.

[identity profile] ares132006.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
I, too, have read most of Bujold. I have followed Miles from one end of his career to the other. A fascinating life. True sci-fi. I do like that her stories are character driven.

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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Cool! It's fun to find other fans of this series! I will be doing other posts about it, so I hope you come and discuss.

[identity profile] stultiloquentia.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Eeeee! I ust finished The Warrior's Apprentice a few days ago and am currently halfway through The Vor Game. I love Miles, and I love that I can never, at any given time, decide if he's the craziest person for miles around or the sanest person ditto.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
HEE! Interesting I should post this just after you read! I actually had to post it because I wanted to post about the prequels, which I did *not* enjoy as much, but I realized to say what I didn't like I had to say what I liked. It has to do with writing style and I didn't say it here. This 15 min business is weird.

I personally think Miles is insane. He does not accept the realities around him, and despite his cleverness I think there's a lot of sheer luck involved in him getting said realities to sometimes bend to his will. But I think more people should be insane as he is, and rage against the dying of the light.

[identity profile] handyhunter.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
He doesn't mean to; it's an accident.

Heh. I think that describes Miles' entire life.

I love Bujold's secondary characters too (Cordelia, of course, Ekaterin, Gregor, Alys, Ivan, etc), although I can't recall how developed or involved in the story they are at this point in the series.

I also love that Miles' family issues are not because his parents were awful, but because of what you said in #2.

In conclusion, space pirates FTW!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
I also love that Miles' family issues are not because his parents were awful, but because of what you said in #2.

Yeah, it's really nice to see someone have mommy and daddy issues without being an orphan or victim of abuse, but rather coming from a relatively happy home. Of course so many of Miles's issues do stem from his disability, and really have nothing to do with parents. But I love that he has a relatively nice relationship with them while still having troubles with them, too.

It is fun to find other fans of this series!
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[personal profile] rahirah 2009-02-14 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
Miles is awesomesauce.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'd never heard of these books before last year and now suddenly everyone's already read them! I run with the wrong crowds.

[identity profile] lokapala.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, Miles! Vorcosiganverse is one of the best space opera stuff I ever read (no idea how good it is in English, though).
Bujold sometimes does too much of telling, not showing with Miles' intelligence, particulary in the early books (way much of dumb luck instead of actual cunning and strategy), but it gets better when he grows out of space piracy =) (Komarr and Civil Campaign are especially shiny, imho)
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-17 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
Bujold sometimes does too much of telling, not showing

Interesting! What I really wanted to write about was Bujold's writing style, which kind of fascinates me, but I couldn't get to that in the posting time I allotted myself. I'm definitely going to read more of the series, because I loved Miles, but I recently finished some of the prequels and that bit about telling/not showing bothered me quite a bit.

[identity profile] living-to-read.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
the Miles Vorkosigan saga is in my opinion oneof the best series I have ever read and it gets better from Warrior's apprentice. My favorite so far are Barayar (probably the prequel you don't like, but you can't understand Miles if you don't know his parents... Cordelia in particular...) Memory and A Civil Campain.
If you've just started, I really envy you... there is so much good for you to discover in the books to come, while all I have is re-reading of all stories waiting for Bujold to go back to this 'verse'.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-17 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that was the one I didn't like. I really liked seeing Miles's parents, because I could definitely see how Miles turned out like he did, but the writing style really bugged me (whereas I quite enjoyed it in Warrior's Apprentice). But yeah, I'm going to read more of the Miles books, and am looking forward to it.

[identity profile] grey-hunter.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
Didn't read the second part of the post because I don't like spoilers but thanks for giving me ideas for books to read. I'm in a sci-fi mood right now and I was wondering what to read. ^^
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-17 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
I definitely recommend it. I have more to say about it which is non-spoilery, which will be in another post soon. I hope you let me know how you like it if you try it!

[identity profile] grey-hunter.livejournal.com 2009-02-17 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
I will. Except, it probably won't be now because I need to write and that always gets put on a hold when I start reading some book, and I'm a very slow reader.

[identity profile] moss6886.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
*pokes head out of sand*

Awesome books. Have you read Shards of Honor (the one where Miles' parents meet)?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-17 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I liked it okay. I rather disliked Barrarryar (sp?) I have more to say about those; hopefully I'll get to posting about them. I liked having the back story, I just didn't like them as well as Miles.

How did you like them?

[identity profile] laliandra.livejournal.com 2009-02-15 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh ha! Me and PR discovered we both love Miles round the campfire just the other day!

I've only read The Warrior's Apprentice, though most of the rest are on my Amazon List of Doom, to be ordered when they won't distract me from essays and the like. But I loved it, despite it having a terrible 80's cover! MILES, the accidental mercenary captain.

I loved his parents, especially his father, who clearly doesn't mean to put undue pressure on him, but really, really does. And just the way that nothing quite works out conventionally. And all the really complicated politics, its very much shades of grey morality. Did I mention how much I love shades of grey morality?

And MILES. I adore him. Incoherently, it seems.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-02-17 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
I actually started them on mistful's rec, then I found out it was the same series my s-i-l had been telling me to read for months! Luckily she owns them all and is lending them all to me.

I read Shards of Honor and Barrarryar too, the ones about his parents, and didn't like them near as much. There seemed to be more "shades of gray morality" in them than in Warrior's, but the way the issues were presented seemed rushed and rather simplistic. I guess I don't remember Warrior's enough to say what I thought about the morality issues, but I really really love shades of gray, too!

I love how Miles's parents are good and loving, but he still has trouble with how he relates with them. A lot of real families are like that and it's nice to see it explored. Abused children and orphans are very real, but other people have stories too!
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[personal profile] my_daroga 2009-02-18 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I love this post. I'm not capable of thinky thoughts right now, or responding to other posts. But this made me smile. You are adorable. I like that you're writing more.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2009-02-18 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, Miles is great fun. What's fascinating is how many different types of books Bujold managed to write about him - my three favorites are Mirror Dance (the heavy psychological stuff of Warrior's Apprentice times two, but with better pacing), Memory (much quieter, Barrayar-based story that Bujold summarizes as "Miles hits 30. 30 hits back."), and A Civil Campaign (romance! hijinks! silly politics!).

But as you say, it's not so much the characters in general as it is Miles specifically; neither Ethan of Athos, which is set in the Vorkosiverse but doesn't have Miles, nor any of her fantasy stuff I've read has any other characters that are nearly as much fun.

Space piracy just happens to some people.

Indeed. Forward momentum, and all. :)

(Oh, and hi! I found you a while back via a rec to your "Angel gets a puppy story," and stayed for the awesome meta and such.)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_tigerfish_/ 2009-02-24 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, Miles! The hyperactive little git is the midget king of my fictional crushes, hands down. He and his awesome pirate-y ways...granted, I wasn't that impressed with Shards of Honor and Barrarryar either, but I read those after the rest of the series and was already hooked. Luckily you have a couple of books to go before the withdrawal sets in. I'm on my 3rd re-read and waiting for Lois to finish the much-anticipated "New Miles" book. *wistful-sigh*

If you are done with the series you might have a look at the
If you like Lois McMaster Bujold... (http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2008/11/10/if-you-like-lois-mcmaster-bujold/) recs, courtesy of Dear Author (http://dearauthor.com/).

Cheerio,
M.

P.S.: Awesome work on [livejournal.com profile] marmalade_fish, btw! *thumbs-up*