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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2009-03-24 11:02 pm

Right Brain Vs Left



Sometimes I think I am very technical minded. When I read, I pull everything apart into a million pieces. I deconstruct the elegance of the equation by hammering it down into raw numbers. Writers I interact with, some of you reading this perhaps, say to me, "Oh, such clever reading! I never even notice those things were there!" That is because you are creative; I am technical. You give life, while I--I don't take it away, of course. I merely dissect it after it's dead (maybe ideas die when they spew into words, onto the page. Or maybe they don't die until I read them. [Maybe that cat in the box is dead; maybe it is alive. Maybe it is both until you open the box.]). This is a very clinical job of mine that requires no power and quite a bit of cleverness. I am like a scientist, a mortician. I am very business-oriented; I host a funeral parlor.

When I write, I do not give life; I merely do the opposite of undertaking. I add up numbers on my machine. I assemble parts; I fit them together, jig-saw style. I put a lot of things in there, I feed them into the black box that you see, but I can rarely say to you, "I never even notice those things were there!" because I put them there. I am very intentional; I am filled with purpose. This may be a form of creativity, but it requires not a single leap. Leaps are genius; steady steps are merely very clever. (I told you I am very clever; I have no doubt of that.)

This is why I cannot write poetry. Poetry is all leaps. It makes me feel; it makes me think as well, but my thinking is not successful. I don't understand why certain poems make me feel they way they do, or how the words in them work on me. I cannot take poetry apart. I hate it because I cannot break it to bits and I worship it for that same reason. It's smarter than me--or, more hatefully and more sacredly, it is not about intelligence at all but something spiritual that cannot be accessed with logic. I shake my fist at T. S. Eliot, the integrity (the leaps) of whose poetry I interest-list.

But sometimes I think I am not very technical minded at all. The millions of pieces I pull apart from a piece of art require a certain kind of vision, this vision being revelation, being faith, which requires all sorts of leaping, as the saying goes. I am managing, in all this deconstruction, to see the construction itself, the creation, but also all the millions of things that went into it. Millions of things that do not exist as things separately; I look at something smooth and continuous, like a marble statue, and see it as if it was made of a billion bricks instead of carved out of a single stone. And seeing it that way isn't false seeing. Just because the author didn't mean to put it there, didn't have to think of it, doesn't mean it's not there. I'm just seeing of what the rock itself is composed, which the artist might never have understood or considered beyond what it took to manipulate the raw materials, and again I say this takes vision.

In a marble statue are billions of atoms and molecules and particles and dust motes and rubble and rock bonded together by atomic forces, by molecular bonds, by weather and erosion and time, by nature. They exist on infinite different levels, and coexist in different relationships in infinity times as many ways. Obviously I don't literally see atoms. I do see in 80 pages of a good book at least a dozen different themes, which can be broadened so that there are maybe really only two or three umbrella themes, or narrowed such that there are however many sentences come in 80 pages. But I see these different themes and can make almost every word connect to them.

I could reorder every word--of course, I could reorder every word and write the book all over again. But I can also make every word relate to every other word; I can make each idea hark back to one of a thousand threads weaving together the cloth; my view of the cloth is not linear but a web. Of course it's easy with a good book; I think that must be what a good book is. But good writers don't necessarily do it. That is not to say they couldn't. Everyone can to some extent; that is why we have the word "theme" and almost every person knows its meaning. But of course I am a snowflake.

That was longer than 15 minutes. I wonder if it even means anything? To anyone but me, I mean.

[identity profile] anthimaeria.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
What it means to me is that I hope I can talk you into proofreading my original slash novel when I finish! It's extraordinary to have the ability to deconstruct. I struggle with it. Sometimes I take fics apart as a writing exercise, but I have to really think about it instead of this coming naturally.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I would love to!

My ability to take things apart is not always helpful. Esp. because so often it deals with elements you (the author) didn't mean to put there, and what makes those elements work is their nonintentionality. If they were understood individually by you and purposefully addressed, they might be destroyed. The unconscious is a large part of good art.

Still, it can sometimes be helpful. Some people can make what I say into something that works for them, something that tells them what they need.

I love to do it, anyway, and I like your writing :o)
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[identity profile] gaudy-night.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, if I ever met you in real life, I'd be totally intimidated by you. This is a compliment, of course. But wow, reading deep thoughts at 5:52 in the morning is, for me... darn, I need some coffee.

I'm currently in the middle of your Something Good. And, yes, I do believe you ARE the only member of the Society For The Fair & Kind Treatment Of The Baroness, but after reading the first few chapters of this fic, I'm wondering if I might join you as well.

I was kinda sorta hoping (okay, hopefully expecting) the captain and Maria to start banging each other by Chapter 4, but darn, I mean wow, you've spun this *story*.

Even in Go Your Own Way, as hot and kinky and frightening it was at times for me, there was still story.

No wonder your stuff is so well-reviewed.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha you could not be intimidated by me irl! I met [livejournal.com profile] my_daroga on lj; I live with her now. Probably she thought I would be saying smart and thoughtful things all the time. Mostly I am saying, "Your mom."

Oh, I'm glad you're enjoying Something Good. I do think it goes on rather long, with bunches and bunches of PEOPLE THINKING rather than doing things. But it's meant to follow the movie, and in the movie they were not banging by the puppet show (though the way she looks at him in that scene, they might as well be).

I LOVE the Baroness! I hope you at least grow fond ;o) Thanks again.
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[identity profile] nixve.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, that's really fascinating! I really wish I could have more deep conversations with you about writing.

Lately I've been pondering something a little along these lines about how I relate to painting. One line out of this that really resonated with me was this one: "And seeing it that way isn't false seeing. Just because the author didn't mean to put it there, didn't have to think of it, doesn't mean it's not there."

I feel, at least for me, like that is a key insight to creating and experiencing writing/art/etc.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, authorial intent. Such a fun and controversial subject. I have lots of thinky thoughts about it; we should definitely discuss sometime. I do think it's very important.

What are you doing this weekend? I have a lot of days off and was thinking about going somewhere; I thought I might visit you but then never asked what your plans were :o)


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[identity profile] nixve.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, I will be visiting Seattle this weekend! I have some free time on Saturday afternoon and possibly Sunday depending on if I decide to drive back up here on Sunday or Monday. Would either of those work for you?

How many days do you have off? I don't have to work until Wednesday. If you wanted to visit up here we could caravan up here on Sunday or something. What are your thoughts? I'm somewhat flexible.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Oy, I'm such a loser. I only have until this Sunday off, all the days off already happened. But I'm sure I can come see you some other time. As for this weekend, I made other plans, but I do have time Sunday late afternoon. I don't know when you plan to go back, but maybe we could hang out then. I'll call you some time tomorrow. I'm bad at keeping in touch, sorry. But hope you're having fun in Seattle!
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[identity profile] nixve.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It's all right. The weekend's been ... odd. I'm definitely heading back up to the mountains today. Not entirely sure when. I guess we can just catch up some other weekend. When I get home I'll be near my calendar and I'll email you a run-down of some potential weekends.

[identity profile] a2zmom.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
fire bad, tree pretty.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you might be right about that...

[identity profile] laliandra.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
This is fascinating! It's really cool that you have started doing your 15 minute things again.

Maybe you are more of an architect than an engineer. Sure, you're thinking about all the individual rivets and structural integrity, but also, you're just drawing lines that end up being a beautiful edifice... Maybe?

Have you ever taken one of those "Are you left or right brained?" quizzes? They are mostly stupid but kind of amusing, and I always come out right in the middle, or thereabouts.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Even though I haven't done the 15 min thing in a month, I felt like I was doing it, because I kept thinking up posts and just not writing them down. It was really strange. But I figure I better actually try to write them.

I like the idea of architect. That is a strange job, in that it involves so much of both creativity and technicality.

I have taken those quizzes! I always get really near the middle, too. Sometimes they also tell whether you're a visual or audio person; I always get very very visual. In your case, do you feel like the result of the quiz is accurate?

[identity profile] laliandra.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
One of my unwritten Lj posts is basically this and your next entry, on being a writer, and what I was like as a child and how I feel about writing...

I think that it is pretty accurate yes. I used to get the same kind of marks in science subjects and arts subjects, even though I've ended up doing a completely Arts based degree. There was also a test to see if you had a male brain or a female brain and I was exactly in the middle. Which amused me, seeing as I am a girl with almost all male friends. IRL my name can be used for either gender, and one of my friend's friends from uni thought I was a guy until he actually met me.

Also, I am a contradictory person! Works for me!

[identity profile] stultiloquentia.livejournal.com 2009-03-28 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, gosh, I get it. I can do it, too. My worst offence is an old Tolkien story, Rose Riddle, whose every line is loaded with allusions or puns or something, right down to the poor, innocent-looking bats and salamanders. Usually I try to keep a lid on it, because too much Cleverness gets in the way of Story, like too many nuts in a muffin gets in the way of chewing. But as a reader and a writer, I see every fractal and feel every tug of every little connecting thread. Every inconsistent metaphor. :P In undergrad English classes I was a close reading superstar, and later when profs started saying, "You picked it apart; that's very nice. SO WHAT?" I was quite taken aback. So now I'm always looking for the so what, and I can't write a story until I have one, which is annoying, because I have way more clever sentences than plots to put them in.

Hey! I like your poetry! I think I must not consider poetry and prose to be as discrete as other people seem to. They're all just words that say stuff. Poetry says stuff in fewer words.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'd like to read that some day (Rose Riddle, I mean).

I do think that cleverness can get in the way of a story. But I think that sometimes the point of a story is the story, and sometimes the point of a story is the writing. I'm in the middle of Saul Bellow's Mr. Sammler's Planet right now, and it seems to me the point is absolutely what the author has to say and how it's said. It's not about the plot, which is barely there.

I mean, finding the "SO WHAT" is part of the fractal-pick-apart game. Finding out what it's all about, what the point of it is. I think the SO WHAT in my fic Down There In The Reeperbahn was that Angel's life is a crazy repeating pattern. And that's what the writing was. I'm not saying it was a perfect piece or that the writing perfectly illustrated that point, but the style of the piece was part of the point.

Thanks, I'm glad you like my poetry. I'm pleased every once in a while with poems that I write, but my problem is I can't force a poem. In prose I can eventually say everything I want to say; in poetry you have to leave so many things out. And while they're both just words that say stuff, poetry says far more in the spaces in between. The meter says stuff that sentence and paragraph spacing doesn't. There's a lot of power in the formatting you do with prose, the way you phrase things, Toni Morrison even sometimes leaves out spaces between words. But you still have far more power in poetry, even in structured verse.
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[personal profile] my_daroga 2009-03-30 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure how to reply to this, because I'm actually very insecure about my own intelligence. I know that intelligent people would probably not speak to me the way they do if they thought I was not, and they should know, yes? And I have been told I am smart. Or is it clever? But I don't do any of those things you say; I don't do the things you like about my writing, though I love reading what you have to say. I don't feel very good at reading, either, and my brain skims over important things like they're all just ladders to the next piece of plot or character development.

And I am so very sensitive about that that I find it difficult to talk about, even though I think this post is beautiful and I loved reading it and love you more for writing it and for allowing me the privilege of your company and watching you work in conversation. And you don't make me feel stupid, but sometimes I feel so very certain that any illusion I had of being smart at all is a sham.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
FWIW, I think you're super smart. You don't make me feel stupid either, but does it make you feel any better at all that I feel pretty ineffectual in comparison to you regarding any communications that are not long, ramblely, written contemplations of how clever I am? Seriously, I can go on and on about how smart I am, but ask me a question aloud, and I am helpless, ask me to be concise, and I fail, ask me to quickly grasp a complex concept . . . and I'll get back to you in a couple days.

I don't do any of those things you say

Does this make you feel less intelligent? Because I don't think the fact that I do those things is evidence of my intelligence, just evidence of the way I think, or look at the world, or the way my brain analyzes the world. How well I do those things is perhaps evidence of my intelligence, but I do believe very firmly intelligence is a singular thing. I sound sarcastic when I say I am a snowflake, but I sound that way only because I want to point out how special I am while at the same time fending off the inevitable insight that I'm not special at all. I actually *do* believe that everyone is unique. Some people are smart, and some are stupid, but everyone is smart and stupid in his own way. I may be pretty and I may be ugly, but I am not one or the other because I'm taller than you, or because my face is longer than yours, or because my hips are wider and my feet are bigger and my eyelids droop more than yours.

I don't do the things you like about my writing,

You mean you don't do them on purpose, right? If they're there, whether you did them on purpose or not, the quality of your writing remains the same.

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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
I don't feel very good at reading, either,

I think "good at reading" means different things too. For instance, I'm great at bringing my own meaning to things. I'm terrible at imposing other schools of thought on what I read. ...Those essays I was talking about for classes, whenever I was supposed to give a "feminist" reading of a text, or a reading according to any school of critique, I was such complete and other fail. Part of it was I just didn't care enough about other schools of thought besides my own (that's my arrogance at work). Part of it was that's just not the way I read, and try hard as I might I don't see those things.

So in some ways I read incredibly well. In some ways I suck. In the end I prefer to believe I'm wonderful, because I'm a snowflake. And you, perhaps, believe occasionally that you suck, because you don't excel in the ways others do.

...I have a post up my sleeve I want to make about this. Because in some ways I'm entirely confident saying, "Oh Lordy look how clever I am!" as I did in this post. In some ways I'm very self-conscious about it. Partly because I know I should be modest (which is why I use the word "clever" instead of smart. There's sarcasm implied in "clever", it sounds like I'm not bragging about how smart I am, but rather I'm saying I got lucky somehow. Or that's how "clever" always sounded to me). But partly because I'm very aware that I am smart in this way, and that in the ways others are smart, I'm not as much. I'm good at math but I'm not going to be Einstein. I'm a good writer, but I don't understand T. S. Eliot. So I don't compare myself to others, and find a unique way in which I can believe that I am brilliant.

This is all about me me me. Maybe I just don't want to come off arrogant when you are manifestly anti-arrogant. I don't know if sharing my perspective with you will help you. I do know that when I do read Eliot, and feel stupid because I don't know how to pull it apart, I comfort myself with the knowledge that I am special, and clever in other ways. ...I think about Eliot a lot when I think about this topic, because I feel intimidated by Eliot. Meanwhile Eliot himself was incredibly intimidated by writers who had come before him, who he felt were masters to whom he could never live up.

Um, so you don't have to reply if you feel sensitive about it or it's difficult, but ... I love your company too, and do feel it is a privilege. And sometimes I'm envious of or even intimidated by your quick grasp of concepts or ability to intelligently dissect abstractions or ability to write efficient and fun-to-read reviews. But I'm a snowflake; I'm a snowflake; I'm a snowflake.