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Let's talk about spelling.
Let's talk about spelling.
Let's start with the orgasmic moan, because we all know that's why you clicked the cut. Except expand that to not only about moan, but all sounds made during sex. Expand that further to not only sex sounds, but any sounds made at any time that don't really have real letter representations: the moan, the groan, the grunt, the scream, the cry, the cheer, the tsk, the huff--whatever else you can think of.
1. What are your thoughts on writing out those sounds?
For instance, would you prefer to see Angel moaned Or, "Uhh," Angel moaned in text? Does it really make a difference? For me, it does. I hate to write out moans, and generally I don't like to see them because no matter how you spell them, moans don't sound like letters. Then again, in rare instances, especially in smut, a moan written out affects me more than just being told someone moaned, becuase, like dialogue, it is more immediate.
2. Now, how do you spell them?
We've got some traditional spellings: "ugh", "humph", "ah", "aw", "aiee", "uh", "mm", "harrumph", "ahem", "eh" and "oh". Are these spellings modifiable? For instance, I rarely make the sound, "Humph." It's more like a "hmph"--but dictionary.com doesn't have that. And yet, it's pretty easy to decipher my meaning and imagine the sound.
a. But what if we start more complex modifications, such as writing out a moan during sex, which is is more often "Uhhghnn" than "Uh"? Maybe "Uhhghnn" is a rather neat letter representation that you can actually relate to, but what about, "Uhhhghahhhnnnnoh!" Can you imagine that sound? Would you want to read it in a fic? At what point does it start to look stupid, rather than add an element of realism?
b. How many letters can you add to one of these words--is there a limit? I find, "Mmmmmmmmmm" to be very annoying in text, because "Mmm" conveys the meaning without looking ridiculous. But to me, that visual aspect of the text is something that can pull me right out of a fic. And anyway, do people really "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh" for that long?
c. How do you differentiate? "Ah" can mean a sound of realization, as in "ah ha!" But it can also be soothing. "She's rubbing my back. Ahhh." Or it can be a scream. "Vampires. Ahh!" (And notice my addition of letters. Is the difference between reliation "ah" and soothing "ahh" an extra "h"? Same with "oh". There's a realization: "Oh, I get it," and a wonderment, "oooh, pretty fireworks". And I've seen people use "ugh" as an expression of disgust and a sound of pleasure. Do they really sound the same?
Now, technically the above words, such as "ugh", are interjections (any member of a class of words expressing emotion," dictionary.com). But I differentiate from noise words (the above) to words we say. (Sometimes they overlap. "Tsk", I think, can both be a sound and a word you say.) I mean words such as "yuck!", "ow!", "oops!", et al. And there's a level up of interjection from that, words that aren't exclamations, such as, "yeah".
3. Uh-huh, uh-uh. What the hell do they mean? And how do we spell them?
I hate to see these words in text. To me, "uh-huh" means an affirmative, and "uh-uh" means a negative. But I've seen people jumble them up until I don't know which is which. And yet, I use them in text too, because there's nothing quite like "uh-huh"--the laziest, most not committed, non attentive kind of affirmative. And what about "nuh-uh"?
4. whoa.
This is where it begins to get complicated. The reason I did this post is that sometimes I'm aggravated by the feeling that certain interjections are mispelled, and I want to correct people. For instance, some people spell this word, "woah" and it drives me ABSOLUTE BONKERS. Then I begin to question myself. I can't spell a moan, and to me, "hmph" is a perfectly valid thing to write in text. How do I know how to spell, "whoa"? dictionary.com has it, and does not have "woah". But this dictionary only has "whoa" in the context of when the word used to mean "stop" (as in, a command to stop a horse). It doesn't have the other more contemporary, slang usages of "whoa". Is there a right and a wrong way to spell this word? Is it, in fact, more of a noise word, with which you can take liberties without alienating readers?
5. yeah, yea, and yay.
This is my biggest pet peeve of all, and yet, I don't think I--or possibly anyone else--really has the authority to put the smackdown on those who use "yea" in a way that makes me ITCH. According to dictionary.com, "yea" is pronounce "yey"--as in, rhymes with "hay," what horses eat--as in, same word as "yay!" a word you use when you're happy to get something, or the word you use to delineate size "when I was yay big"). Now, the meaning of "yea" is yes, and back in the day, it was probably used colloquially. But nowadays, people use "yeah", pronounced as "yah", rhymes with the "ma" sound in the word "mad". But dictionary.com doesn't have that pronounciation, and who's to say how "yeah" is really spelled? I've seen "ya" (which always strikes me as ja, as in German) and "yah", both of which look wrong to me).
I could google around and try to find the "right" answer; I could examine other dictionaries, including those that some consider the "final authority" (e.g., the OED)--but I'm not interested in that so much as how it strikes you in fic/writing/text. I've seen smart people who's writing and intelligence and rudimentary knowledge of such things I respect using "yea" when I think they should be using "yeah" in great, beautiful, grammatically perfect fic. So, what gives? Should this not bother me? Do you feel there's a right or wrong answer to things like this? What do you feel that answer is?
6. Lastly, there's just something I want to throw out there about what I see as "newer" interjections. "Whoa" evolved from the "stop" command to mean something else, nowadays (though it can still mean "stop"). But are other interjections being created? I see "gah" around all the time now, and never used to. It's not in dictionary.com. And "guh".
7. What about "internet" words? What about "glomp"? Didn't "squick" evolve from internet usage? Is it weird to have a character say something like that in a fic?
8. How do you pronounce, "eh?"
Let's start with the orgasmic moan, because we all know that's why you clicked the cut. Except expand that to not only about moan, but all sounds made during sex. Expand that further to not only sex sounds, but any sounds made at any time that don't really have real letter representations: the moan, the groan, the grunt, the scream, the cry, the cheer, the tsk, the huff--whatever else you can think of.
1. What are your thoughts on writing out those sounds?
For instance, would you prefer to see Angel moaned Or, "Uhh," Angel moaned in text? Does it really make a difference? For me, it does. I hate to write out moans, and generally I don't like to see them because no matter how you spell them, moans don't sound like letters. Then again, in rare instances, especially in smut, a moan written out affects me more than just being told someone moaned, becuase, like dialogue, it is more immediate.
2. Now, how do you spell them?
We've got some traditional spellings: "ugh", "humph", "ah", "aw", "aiee", "uh", "mm", "harrumph", "ahem", "eh" and "oh". Are these spellings modifiable? For instance, I rarely make the sound, "Humph." It's more like a "hmph"--but dictionary.com doesn't have that. And yet, it's pretty easy to decipher my meaning and imagine the sound.
a. But what if we start more complex modifications, such as writing out a moan during sex, which is is more often "Uhhghnn" than "Uh"? Maybe "Uhhghnn" is a rather neat letter representation that you can actually relate to, but what about, "Uhhhghahhhnnnnoh!" Can you imagine that sound? Would you want to read it in a fic? At what point does it start to look stupid, rather than add an element of realism?
b. How many letters can you add to one of these words--is there a limit? I find, "Mmmmmmmmmm" to be very annoying in text, because "Mmm" conveys the meaning without looking ridiculous. But to me, that visual aspect of the text is something that can pull me right out of a fic. And anyway, do people really "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh" for that long?
c. How do you differentiate? "Ah" can mean a sound of realization, as in "ah ha!" But it can also be soothing. "She's rubbing my back. Ahhh." Or it can be a scream. "Vampires. Ahh!" (And notice my addition of letters. Is the difference between reliation "ah" and soothing "ahh" an extra "h"? Same with "oh". There's a realization: "Oh, I get it," and a wonderment, "oooh, pretty fireworks". And I've seen people use "ugh" as an expression of disgust and a sound of pleasure. Do they really sound the same?
Now, technically the above words, such as "ugh", are interjections (any member of a class of words expressing emotion," dictionary.com). But I differentiate from noise words (the above) to words we say. (Sometimes they overlap. "Tsk", I think, can both be a sound and a word you say.) I mean words such as "yuck!", "ow!", "oops!", et al. And there's a level up of interjection from that, words that aren't exclamations, such as, "yeah".
3. Uh-huh, uh-uh. What the hell do they mean? And how do we spell them?
I hate to see these words in text. To me, "uh-huh" means an affirmative, and "uh-uh" means a negative. But I've seen people jumble them up until I don't know which is which. And yet, I use them in text too, because there's nothing quite like "uh-huh"--the laziest, most not committed, non attentive kind of affirmative. And what about "nuh-uh"?
4. whoa.
This is where it begins to get complicated. The reason I did this post is that sometimes I'm aggravated by the feeling that certain interjections are mispelled, and I want to correct people. For instance, some people spell this word, "woah" and it drives me ABSOLUTE BONKERS. Then I begin to question myself. I can't spell a moan, and to me, "hmph" is a perfectly valid thing to write in text. How do I know how to spell, "whoa"? dictionary.com has it, and does not have "woah". But this dictionary only has "whoa" in the context of when the word used to mean "stop" (as in, a command to stop a horse). It doesn't have the other more contemporary, slang usages of "whoa". Is there a right and a wrong way to spell this word? Is it, in fact, more of a noise word, with which you can take liberties without alienating readers?
5. yeah, yea, and yay.
This is my biggest pet peeve of all, and yet, I don't think I--or possibly anyone else--really has the authority to put the smackdown on those who use "yea" in a way that makes me ITCH. According to dictionary.com, "yea" is pronounce "yey"--as in, rhymes with "hay," what horses eat--as in, same word as "yay!" a word you use when you're happy to get something, or the word you use to delineate size "when I was yay big"). Now, the meaning of "yea" is yes, and back in the day, it was probably used colloquially. But nowadays, people use "yeah", pronounced as "yah", rhymes with the "ma" sound in the word "mad". But dictionary.com doesn't have that pronounciation, and who's to say how "yeah" is really spelled? I've seen "ya" (which always strikes me as ja, as in German) and "yah", both of which look wrong to me).
I could google around and try to find the "right" answer; I could examine other dictionaries, including those that some consider the "final authority" (e.g., the OED)--but I'm not interested in that so much as how it strikes you in fic/writing/text. I've seen smart people who's writing and intelligence and rudimentary knowledge of such things I respect using "yea" when I think they should be using "yeah" in great, beautiful, grammatically perfect fic. So, what gives? Should this not bother me? Do you feel there's a right or wrong answer to things like this? What do you feel that answer is?
6. Lastly, there's just something I want to throw out there about what I see as "newer" interjections. "Whoa" evolved from the "stop" command to mean something else, nowadays (though it can still mean "stop"). But are other interjections being created? I see "gah" around all the time now, and never used to. It's not in dictionary.com. And "guh".
7. What about "internet" words? What about "glomp"? Didn't "squick" evolve from internet usage? Is it weird to have a character say something like that in a fic?
8. How do you pronounce, "eh?"
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And *sigh*, this is where I lost my mind.
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Is it wrong to read fic for a show you've never seen before? Do I even need to see the show? There's not brother sex on the show. There's not sister sex on the show. There's not sister who should be a brother sex on the show, but there is in my heart.
The sad thing is I don't think I feel this way because it's late at night.
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It's mutual. I recced your person on your journal in my last post (which is otherwise filled with nothing but *shock and surprise* crack).
Or are we on my post? I have no fucking idea what's going on anymore.
I actually have met several people who read SPN fic who have never watched the show (quite a few commenters on my Faith/Dean fics have not), and one who reads Wincest, not just the crossovers. The show *is* fun to watch though, but I think it's much better with another fangirl in tow.
And I just went and added a wee smidgeon more crack. Because...yes.
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I did see an ep of SPN, I think I've mentioned before, and I liked it. It was just on a bad day for me--it's often the day my friends have off to go play. But the one ep I saw was very cesty. I was actually shocked at the implications. (Sam and Dean checking into a motel, and the dude at the counter trying to give them one bed, and S & D just giving each other this *look*. Which I guess was supposed to be annoyance and irony and perhaps amusement, but I read as TOTAL LUST).
But the final straw was reading through your conversation, the bit about Dean being kinda dykey and it freakin' Sam out.
Yis.
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OK. Here's your assignment for the now: go and watch this vid. Yis.
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le sigh. I'll try to figure it out.
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Maybe you need the DivX codec. That's probably it. I play everything on Realplayer and they all work just fine. Because seriously, you HAVE to watch that vid. It makes me high.
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See, I'm not big on the fanvid scene because I had this crappy computer that wasn't mine, and I couldn't dl anything big to it. Then I got a crappier computer without a soundcard, so what was the point? But I just got a brand new shiny comp and would really like to get into it. But this is why I don't know what I'm doing. *coughs*
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And hardeharhar, I typed out "asshate" in that last comment. BTW, you and I should totally talk on IM, with all of this comment spam that we've got going on. Because now, you know, there are traces. *paranoia*
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And ok. I'm J Sunshiny on AIM.
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What's your MSN name?
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