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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2006-10-28 12:38 am

BSG 3.05


Judge Not.


~Chief~


He never followed along. He never followed a mockery of a president, never saw the warrants sent to the secret executioners. He never took people from their families at night, never got them killed. Except when it was his turn to put people up against the wall. What else could he have done, Chief asked, with Gaeta’s voice.

Justice isn’t a balanced equation. One life isn’t enough to buy another; Jammer’s death for twenty-two. After all, Cally is a killer, too.

~Tigh~


He never followed along, either. Not then, and not now, when traitors take the place of Cylons walking among them. Gaeta can’t seem to muster up his other eye. So, Tigh can’t blindly close them, can’t follow Adama’s order to sleep it off. Instead, he’s the one administering sleep to the poison in their ranks.

Tighs, and their dirty bargains: her betrayal for his life. Traitors’ deaths for Tigh’s betrayal of his wife. Shut-eye for an eye; he sends them to Ellen. Where he can’t follow.

~Caprica Six~


The Cylons never know if she will follow along, if she even walks among them. They all know how much Six loves to be on her knees, instead: before God, before Gaius, before a nuclear missile that will bring them following in her wake. What they don’t know is what, in the end, she will be praying for: their deaths, Gaius’, or her own.

She can sentence Gaius to a traitor’s death, to pay for her betrayal of her kind. She votes life. Her God is love, not vengeance, and unlike Tigh, she can forgive herself.

~Roslin~


Zarek never thought she would follow along, and that’s why he didn’t tell her. Everyone knows how much Roslin loves to stand on her own two feet: fighting in the wake of Cylons, dirty bargaining the election against Gaius, secret warrants for Admiral Cain and unborn babies.

And yet, she will close her eyes and follow her God, false hope, and humanity. Her faith may only be another kind of sleeping, a betrayal of her kind. Her turn to put people against the wall, and she blindly turns her cheek.

But Roslin is a killer, too.

~Gaeta~


Gaeta followed Gaius for the dream of New Caprica. When he opened his eyes and Cylons walked among them, he followed because there was nothing else he could have done. He betrayed his mockery of a president by showing the insurgents the secret warrants. He betrayed his people by getting them killed anyway.

He hated every moment of it, and that’s why here, on his knees, he won’t beg. His life for his betrayal, of everyone, makes sense. Maybe justice isn’t blind at all; at least it is more balanced than Tigh’s eyes.

~Kara~


In the end, Kara followed along too. Leoben kissed one cheek and she’d turn so he could do the other. She betrayed him by killing him, betrayed her people by loving it, every moment (she tells herself). She might as well’ve gotten on her knees and sucked his cock. She begged for it, in the end.

She can sentence Gaeta to a traitor’s death, for her own betrayal. She votes death, where she wants to follow, so badly. She punches Gaeta in the face, for a tooth. For vengeance. This particular blonde cannot forgive herself.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
I feel so bad for Starbuck. Even her husband won't fight for her.

The line about Callie being a killer too really struck home. I love Chief, more than any other character except Sharon, but man oh man, do he and Callie have *the* most fucked up relationship or what?

I need a better Chief icon. *nods*

And since I <3 your brain so much: What are your thoughts on why there are only seven Cylon models aboard that ship?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Sbuck won't tell her husband what really happened; I don't blame him for having difficulty understanding.

I love the Chief, too. I love how, in the S2 finale, to move very quickly from Chief/Cally just having a vibe to being married with a kid, they just had Chief beat her up. Any other show would've had him finding out she crushed on him in a much more . . . uh, nonviolent way. But I love Cally, too.

Speaking of Sharon: omg she was completely gone, this time! ugh

seven models: wondered that too, and honestly, my theory is that the writers did it to make the human circle of six trials and the cylon trial for Gaius bookend so wonderfully. I mean, the human scene cuts with them saying we need six! And then it goes to Xena saying, we have six, we just need Six. So of course, there's seven, but the sound of it really strikes home with how similar these two scenes are.

The only other thing I got is that we've only *seen* 7 cylon models. Maybe the other 5 are special? On New Caprica, it looked like only 6 Cylons were involved in decision-making (I never saw Leoben in any of those sessions on Airforce One or whatever that thing is called, did you?)
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
bookend wasn't the word I wanted. I wanted how they coexist side by side, like the pages of a book.

parallel, I guess.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I know we've only seen seven, but I mean, the Cylons know there are 12, don't they? And sure, I totally got the jusxtaposition of 6/6/6. But. Where ARE the other five? I wonder these things.

Leobon wasn't invited b/c he is the crazy drunken cousin they only put up with when they have to. ;)

I dunno, I feel like Anders knows enough to be way more sympathetic. She's his fucking *wife* for godsake. He should have said, "ok, hit me, be mean to me, whatever you need to do, I'm not going anywhere." Toadface. :P

Sharon was not in this ep at all! I am most displeased!

[identity profile] a2zmom.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you saw her for a second, although I forget what scene.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I was waiting and waiting for her and I'm pretty sure you never caught a glimpse. It was sad! But maybe I blinked.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder too; what I meant was, maybe they were sacrificing sense making for the sake of the parallel, or maybe we've only seen seven because something's up with the other five. Like, for instance, maybe those models are still on the shelves?

But I wonder if Leoben is one of the seven.

I don't know if Anders saying okay hit me right then would've actually been the right thing to do. Sometimes you need to give people the space they're asking for instead of forcing the issue, or even letting *them* force it. But yeah, he was a toadface for giving back her dogtag thingy. That made me very wtf.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yea, it didn't look to me like he was giving her space. It looked to me like he was giving UP. Which fine, if you're just fuckbuddies or whatever. But they're married for godsake, yea?

I'm not saying he should have said "hit me NOW", just "Ok, you're hurting, and I'll give you space but you can't get rid of me that easily," would have been enough. As it was, I have the feeling he is going to die. Joss much.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, sorry--yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying.

He's only going to die once he and Kara forgive and make up. Or at least, that's what Whedon would do.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-28 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I think he has to die because Starbuck can't have pretty things.

Although if they do break up, that could save his ass. BSG thusfar hasn't been quite as predictable as Whedon.

I continue to love the Chief. Is it me, or does he sorta remind you of Boreanaz?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Or they could break up, and he could die, because maybe that would hit her harder: never having had a chance to work things out with him. Or something.

Because of the heavy brow? And flat mouth? And the way he can do a dead eye still stare? No, sorry, he doesn't remind me of DB. But from the very first ep I saw I wondered what it was with me and the heavy brow guys.

But hey, apparently these days I'm always up for side by side photos.



I think I found a hand fetish site. And yes. Yes, I did just see Joss Whedon as a centaur while finding a pic of DB. GOD.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
HAHAHAHAHA LMFAO@ OMG.

So last night, we're watching BSG and I say again how much I <3 Chief and Maze goes, "Yea, he has Boreanaz forehead." Then they show him and Callie's baby, and Maze tilts his head and says, "hunh. Baby Connor had that face, too. Giant foreheaded children."

And he was RIGHT.

I need a better Chief icon. Alas, they are hard to come by. Everyone caps Lee. *blech*
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
bahahahaha! I never noticed baby!Connor had a giant forehead. Though now that I think about it, that's true about Chief's baby's. Babies pretty much look the same to me anyway.

The reason I don't do icons is I would stress for *hours* over finding the ones I wanted. I saw a Chief one the other day. I didn't think it was exceptional, but I found the post the iconer did; there are several Chief ones there: here. But yeah, this is why the world has my white haired lady. That and I'm really really lazy.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
I love collecting icons. I don't do tags, though. That shit would make me crazy.

Thanks for the link! But I want tired, papa of the revolution Chief icons. Yis.

Did you know Lynne is finishing her fic this weekend?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
I do tags because it drives me crazy not to do them. A week or so ago I went through and titled every single post I'd ever made, and retagged every one of them. I even numbered some posts. It makes me wild-eyed, the way lj has no drawers.

That's how come the icon thing would drive me batty: never what I want.

She was talking about it being done soon, but I didn't know how soon. Whenever she mentions it I go all Pavlov's dog, and then she says yeah, but not yet. I'm really, really excited to see what she does.

I fell in love with slash, Connor, slash incest, Angel/Connor, and Lynne all at once the first time I read A&I. I blinked a lot at it.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
If I started to do tags I would just. never. stop. It would be ugly, the OCD levels I would be driven to. Srsly.

Re A&I: Aw yea. Best quasi-shmoopy incest *ever*. I <33 Lynne. And supposedly, I beta Monday. *fingers crossed*
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
Ha, I think we have a lot of the same problems.

yay!

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
Ha!

It's a friendship based on mutual neuroses and porn.


I *like* it.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
*spins you until you fall down*

Hey, you should be asleep!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Time change!

But yeah, me, no sleep, getting to be a big problem. I should go drink my sleepy tea. Or my pms tea. Did you know there's pms tea? It tickles me, for some reason.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
Time change? Tonight?? Shit!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Sunday, October 29, 2 a.m.
fall back
it always confuses me, but I think so.
I hope that it doesn't screw anything up for you.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
No, I'm just glad you told me! Jake has Tae Kwan Do tomorrow morning, and I'd have gotten him there an hour early! *facepalm*
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
oh, good then!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 06:44 am (UTC)(link)
Oops, the link I meant to put was: this. Though DB hands are always good.

[identity profile] romanyg.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
You ficced BSG! *hearts*

Yes, how does Chief equate Cally's murder of Sharon? She killed *his* Sharon after all.

He hated every moment of it, and that’s why here, on his knees, he won’t beg. His life for his betrayal, of everyone, makes sense. Maybe justice isn’t blind at all; at least it is more balanced than Tigh’s eyes.

GAETA! I had my hands over my eyes for this scene. I was *convinced* that BSG meant to hurt me, that the truth wouldn't come out until *after* the airlock. But they saved my beautiful, curly-haired idealist. And Chief ate with him, in awkward but almost amiable silence. EEEEEE!

I love this show *and* your sneaky unadvertised ficciness.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Chief is pretty fucked up when it comes to everything that happened with Sharon. Personally, I think he can't reconcile it all and so shoves it down and doesn't deal. I hope Cally killing Sharon plays a big part in what they do with Chief.

I was pretty convinced they wouldn't waste Gaeta. Then again, I had no idea they'd off Billy, either. I loved that scene with Gaeta and Chief eating together! I did a little wibble, there.

Yeah I didn't advertise because it's less a fic and more just be wanting to respond to the eps. I did one last week, too.

I love this show too!

[identity profile] romanyg.livejournal.com 2006-10-30 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I think he can't reconcile it all and so shoves it down and doesn't deal.

Yes, I find this very *human* about him.

And yes, with the eating, many wibbles from me.

I did an episode response to an SV ep two weeks ago, and thought, what the heck, it's ficcy, so I advertised as such. Not the best, by far no, thing I've ever done, but it was fun.

I don't know if my brain could handle what you're doing with BSG though. *bows before you*
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-30 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I find this very *human* about him.

Me too. I love him so.

Your brain can handle that and more. *mutual bowing*
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[identity profile] redbrickrose.livejournal.com 2006-10-30 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
I love your recap-as-fic style. Once again, you've nailed every character perfectly in just a couple of sentences. I just ache for them.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2006-10-30 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I always have Thoughts, and this is the funnest way for me to express them.

Yeah, this show gets in deep. I love it so!