Entry tags:
Big Pimpin' Pity Party
So this is something I've been wanting to do for a while now, and I hope y'all will all join in...
In comments to this post:
1. Pimp the story whose feedback most disappointed you. I don't mean your best story, or your worst story, or the story you guess could've been better. And I don't mean the story that got the least feedback. I mean the story that you thought would get more feedback, or felt should get more fb. The story for which you only got 2 reviews, and hoped you'd get 5, or the story you hoped would get 500, and only got 200. Even the story you wrote just so fandom would notice you--you included assbabies and kittens, just for those extra reviews--and then zada, zero, nil. Or 500, but not 20,000. Or even the one that got satisfying amounts of fb, but that you thought the Clem fans would flock to and the Clem fans ignored.
1a. Post a link to that story.
1b. Why’d you think it’d get more fb? What did you expect to appeal to and didn’t? Don’t be embarrassed to say how badass it was.
1c. Why d’you think it didn’t get that fb? Don’t be too proud to whine, complain, or feel sorry for yourself. Happens to the best of us, baby.
If you want:
2. Pimp a story by someone else you feel should’ve gotten more fb. Whether it’s a story you beta’ed, saw on your flist, or just randomly found. Again, not so much The Best Story Ever, as The Really Great Story No One Else Knows About.
2a. post a link or where to find the story.
2b. tell us about the praise/appeal of the story.
2c. tell us how under appreciated this person/story is.
3. Pimp this post. If there’s a lot, maybe I can compile and post a list of Unappreciated Gems Of Fandom, Which You Should Have Loved . . . For These Reasons.
Pimp yourself. Throw yourself a pity party. Ask why no one loved you. Or at least that one fic. I’m serious, here. Everyone has a fic they secretly cherish and feel sorry for, and occasionally pet with sparkly tears in their eyes . . . even if they never felt like they could ask the world why their little woobie story was so unloved. Now's your chance.
Pimp others, and offer them your hand so we can skip through the sunshine. Yes I am a fluffy mushlet; I don't care.
In comments to this post:
1. Pimp the story whose feedback most disappointed you. I don't mean your best story, or your worst story, or the story you guess could've been better. And I don't mean the story that got the least feedback. I mean the story that you thought would get more feedback, or felt should get more fb. The story for which you only got 2 reviews, and hoped you'd get 5, or the story you hoped would get 500, and only got 200. Even the story you wrote just so fandom would notice you--you included assbabies and kittens, just for those extra reviews--and then zada, zero, nil. Or 500, but not 20,000. Or even the one that got satisfying amounts of fb, but that you thought the Clem fans would flock to and the Clem fans ignored.
1a. Post a link to that story.
1b. Why’d you think it’d get more fb? What did you expect to appeal to and didn’t? Don’t be embarrassed to say how badass it was.
1c. Why d’you think it didn’t get that fb? Don’t be too proud to whine, complain, or feel sorry for yourself. Happens to the best of us, baby.
If you want:
2. Pimp a story by someone else you feel should’ve gotten more fb. Whether it’s a story you beta’ed, saw on your flist, or just randomly found. Again, not so much The Best Story Ever, as The Really Great Story No One Else Knows About.
2a. post a link or where to find the story.
2b. tell us about the praise/appeal of the story.
2c. tell us how under appreciated this person/story is.
3. Pimp this post. If there’s a lot, maybe I can compile and post a list of Unappreciated Gems Of Fandom, Which You Should Have Loved . . . For These Reasons.
Pimp yourself. Throw yourself a pity party. Ask why no one loved you. Or at least that one fic. I’m serious, here. Everyone has a fic they secretly cherish and feel sorry for, and occasionally pet with sparkly tears in their eyes . . . even if they never felt like they could ask the world why their little woobie story was so unloved. Now's your chance.
Pimp others, and offer them your hand so we can skip through the sunshine. Yes I am a fluffy mushlet; I don't care.
no subject
1b) I've re-read this story over several times since I wrote it a couple of years ago and I still think it's good. I think the writing is good. I think it evokes the disconnected, disjointed feeling I wanted it to. I don't know that I'd classify it as one of my best stories ever but I'm really proud of it and it's gotten so very little feedback. Like seriously 5 pieces of feedback or something.
1c)I think primarly because it's a Spawn fic (Spike/Dawn) and it's not a terribly popular pairing. It's also very angsty (sort of an everyone is dead thing) yet not an apocalypse-y story.
I'm going to troll my list of favorite stories and come back to do part 2! What a fantastic idea I can't wait to see the list you compile! I will pimp this for you.
no subject
no subject
Thanks for playing!
no subject
no subject
That said, thanks to your pimping (and Chrislee's Writeron archive), Sweet Tart, my Faith/Willow story, slowly crawls up in feedback. Which is super cool, considering that, other than SMCD, I think it's the best I've done. It's the best characterization, anyway.
As for fic that should have gotten more, however, I always thought that Stoney's Connor fic Triptych was full of haunting moments and beautiful language. However, since it ends on Angel/Connor, I can see why a few people demurred. But it's not smut for smut's sake, and the relationships is so complicated and...and I totally know you've read it. I just felt like pouting at the injustice of beautifully twisting prose not receiving the WOOT! it deserves.
no subject
I pimp Sweet Tart any chance I will get. If all femme slash was like that I'd . .. well, read a lot more of it!
Triptych was one of the main fics I was thinking of when I made this post. Stoney overall doesn't get enough attention for the serious stuff she does. She's a fabulous writer.
no subject
I actually can't complain about the quantity or quality of fb I've received. Sometimes I'd like to implore all the readers who pounce on my Spuffy pron to try out Campfire Tale for the End of Days or my Illyria Sestina, especially the former, because, if I may say so, at the beginning it doesn't look like much, but the lead-up to the last paragraphs is pretty damn cool. The thing is, though, the comparatively small number of reviewers of my genfic are smart, and leave incredibly generous, insightful comments. I'm a lucky winner, however you cut it.
As for other writers, I have two. They both have long-neglected WIPs, but they're such dazzling stylists that they're worth checking out anyway, and maybe an influx of new fb will spark their muses. Fingers and toes crossed.
The first is
"Attack!" cried Ardryn, as a phalanx of bucklered warriors flooded the room.
"Rawr!" cried they.
and,
“Spike’s got a doctorate in soul-having now,” sighed Angel bitterly.
“Yeah, well, at least I give it some thought now and again, instead of wearing the stupid thing like a hairshirt and losing it every six months.”
The second is
"Yes, well... I'm afraid Mr. Anaxagoras was up to a great deal of no good today, Mother."
"Indeed?"
William nodded. "In a typically Greek quest for perfection of physical form, he paid a visit to the city gymnasium thinking to take some exercise. So far, so commendable. However, rather than taking, he was instead taken in by the physical perfections of one Mr. Arsenios, whose charms, if we are to believe the besotted encomiums of Mr. Anaxagoras, rivaled those of young Antinoos himself. Of whom Mr. Anaxagoras of course knew nothing, having preceded him on this earth by several hundred years."
"You digress, my dear."
"Thank you, Mother. Suffice to say, Mr. Anaxagoras made a number of indecent suggestions to Mr. Arsenios, not sparing certain representations as to how he lived up to his name as an, ahem, master orator."
"William! Really!"
"Begging your pardon, Mother. Alas, Mr. Arsenios was hardly proof against such inducements as these. I am sorry to report that he was soon industriously engaged in such vigorous activities with Mr. Anaxagoras as would render his abandoned gymnasium exercises entirely superfluous. And here perhaps we had best draw a veil over the conduct of our protagonists lest we bring a blush to the bronze cheeks of the very statue of Achilles himself."
Feeling a blush upon her own cheek, Anne tried to look stern, but felt perhaps her performance was less than perfect.
"Ah, I see from your expression that you fear for the immortal souls of our two beloved heroes. Very correct of you. Yet, before you despair, consider that their...exchange of ideas led to a highly edifying discourse on the philosophical nature of love in all of its many forms. Why, it ultimately produced a ranking of sorts--"
"Gracious! Let me guess: with their own unique expression of love at the top?"
"Just so, Mother. One would think you had been studying the classics all your life."
no subject
I can't really complain about my fb either...I was sneaky and posted the post without having to put my own reply!
That first sounds fabulous...I don't know if I'd read a story like that about William, the second one I mean, but it sounds really interesting. Abandoned WIPs make me sad, but I'll read 'em 'cause I like long stuff. Thanks so much for leaving the links and playing along!
no subject
Hahahahaha! I think I will go read that fic. Thanks for suggesting it. :)
no subject
This is a wonderful idea.
I'm still mourning the untimely death of my very first AtS fic. I thought it was good, but it just ... laid there like a dead thing. I was responding to a ficathon prompt that was of the heinous variety: Spike, Lorne & Faith, post-NFA ... NO ANGST!!
It needs to be read just so you cansee how in the hold frak I pulled it off.
Escape from L.A. (http://lostakasha.livejournal.com/5892.html)
And Zee Peemp!
You guys are all handling my new Booth/Hodgins obsession with grace and forbearance, and for that I'm so grateful. But
If more people read her stuff there would be more B/H shippers! and I get the pink kitchen aid mixer! whee!
So I am pimping this: On The Edge And Falling Off (http://sweptawaybayou.livejournal.com/330641.html#cutid1) because it makes such a convincing case for Booth's sexual ambiguity. Plus, her clean and straightforward style slays me becuase I'm the queen o' wordy.
What a lovely idea.
:::smooches:::
no subject
And I've always wanted to read more of Snow's stuff.
Thanks for leaving the links . . . I hope to read both of them, and I hope other people do too!
no subject
ANYWAY.
Stories by others that I feel should have gotten more fb:
As for
There was a recent fic post by
I'm sure there are others that I should be including here, and I'll probably be back with them later. This is a splendid idea you had. Thank you for doing it.
no subject
I feel like that a lot. If I rec someone in a post, it's not just because I think a story is good. It's because I think the story is good and hasn't gotten enough attention.
Stoney
I can't believe I haven't read that before. It's going on my list immediately because anything Connor by Stoney clenches my heart and gets claws in deep. I really love everything I've read that she's done with him.
I really really love Sue's writing, but I actually haven't read much of her stuff. I never know where to start, so thanks!
I already have the fic by dovil saved up to read. She was the last straw that reminded me I really wanted to do this post.
Thanks so much for playing, because *all* of these sound interesting to me. I hope they sound interesting to others, and that these people get the attention they deserve! Thanks!
no subject
I think it got less comments because:
A. It's RPS.
B. The Cracktrailer Heyday is passed.
C. I posted it the day of Writercon. (WTF I was thinking, I have no idea)
D. My Author's Notes were huge and scared people off.
E. It's a sequel.
It's a weird thing, because I feel like that's the first fic I really, truly wrote for me (and Fod), but the number of replies still made me feel bad. Especially because there were a few people I really wanted to read it, who either didn't and didn't like it, or just didn't read it. Which means I actually didn't write it for myself, hunh? Damn. It still feels like I did. Maybe I have shitty self-awareness around these things.
In any case, this is a cool post. I hope people come forward and truthfully answer it.
no subject
E. Yes, with something like that, people're going to feel like they had to read all this other stuff to understand your piece, which wasn't true. It stands beautifully as is.
Which means I actually didn't write it for myself, hunh? Damn. It still feels like I did. Maybe I have shitty self-awareness around these things.
Well, for me, it's like this. When I have something I've written that I really really care about, I would rather not share it at *all* than recieve a lukewarm reaction, or even just less of a reaction than I expected. The fact that I'd be *more* willing to keep it to myself seems to say to me that yes, I really did it for me, not so other people would squee and jump up and down. But having other people--especially people you care about--not be passionate about something you put yourself into *hurts*. It feels like they don't really love you, even though intellectually you know that's not what it means.
I actually feel the same way about reccing certain books to people, about expressing certain ideas, and about experiencing certain kinds of beauty with people. I invest myself so much in some things, that sharing them with other people can feel like I'm giving away pieces of myself, and when they are not cherished as such, it's heartbreaking.
Of course I get over it, but maybe that has some relation to what you feel.
no subject
Welcome to my neruoses, they are immense and colorful, like an Amish quilt.
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
But anything is welcome, whether you just want to get it out there, rant, or I dunno, try to entice people who aren't already reading it into the fandom. GOgogogogo!
no subject
So in lieu of pimping your post, would you mind horribly if I were to treat it as a meme and steal it? Because I don't want to if you'd rather I didn't.
no subject
no subject
Because, apparently, I'm bouncing. huh?
no subject
1b) It's not a drabble or ficlet and it's not a full fic, so it doesn't take long to read but it's not over too fast. The background of my established 'verse isn't really necessary, so it can be treated as a standalone piece. It's one of my better ideas, and some of my best execution in terms of the writing, and I'm particularly proud of that because it's from the POV of Dana, who is River-like in being (IMO) difficult to write well. Dana's criminally underrepresented in fanfic, and I figured this story would resonate with Dana fans, Buffy/Faith fans, and basically everyone.
1c) Hmm... femslash is less popular than guyslash? I hadn't yet established my writerly reputation? Posted at a particularly coincidentally bad time? Your guess is as good as mine. Hey, at least it got a really nice banner. But I'd kill for more feedback.
2a) Dawn of the Dead by
2b) Even Spike haters will find a ton to love. More riffs than Angus Young, more rimshots than Buddy Rich, side-splitting fun that goes to eleven and never lets up, not even for a second. Noone is safe from the loving skewers of wit.
2c)
no subject
no subject
no subject
It's pretty crappy when someone doesn't fb for a ficathon piece (I would think). Least they could do is drop a line that says hey thanks.
no subject
The first (and so far, only) story I've written in new Doctor Who leaps immediately to mind. It's not the best thing I've ever written, but it's good, and I'm inordinately fond of it -- partly because I finished it in one sitting, which is almost unheard-of for my glacially slow writing, and partly because I think it does exactly what I wanted it to.
1a) Enough (http://lizvogel.livejournal.com/957.html)
1b) IMO, it's a good little story. Clever, to the point... pithy, even. I figured there had to be somebody besides me who was ready for a break from the raving shippiness in new Who fandom, and this story is a fun, non-bashing dose of just that.
1c) I'm pretty obscure in LJ circles, so I didn't expect a lot of feedback, but come on... none? Not even a mercy comment from my beta-readers? I suck at self-pimping, but still.
I should pimp someone else here, but all the authors that are coming to mind at the moment already have plenty of readers.
no subject
Or hopefully other people from metafandom will drop by! I suck at self-pimping too, but you shouldn't be ashamed to do it now and then. At any rate, thanks for playing . . . I hope your fic gets some fb!
no subject
no subject
no subject
I've always been disappointed by the complete lack of response to my Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan epic of doooooom, Threads of Eternity (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/563185/1/), which I worked on for a year and a half, and got next to no comments on. Sigh.
To be fair, it does change Obi-Wan's story quite a bit, and was posted not long before Episode II came out, which directly contradicts parts of it, so that might be why.
no subject
I don't really read fic in that fandom, but I hope some more fb wings your way!
no subject
I would like to do the same as
Excellent idea. Let me know if it's ok to steal.
no subject
no subject
no subject
Basically, I've come to terms this year that if it's not Gud Summries fun-poking, or filthy, dirty, intentional bad!fic, people don't either a) trust me as a writer or b) I'm not as good as I want to be. And I think it's a combo of both, so I'm okay with that.
The LEAST amount of fb I've gotten for something that I really, really thought was good aren't Jossverse: my Couplings(UK) fics, in particular. but. That's a small fandom, so I get it. (Or my attempt to prove to the world that Will Ferrell is sexy. Hahaha. BUT HE IS.)
One story in particular that I really love, and she doesn't get half the feedback she deserves, is by
Will think more on this, and pimp in my journal. This is a GREAT candidate for my memories - all the fics being recced here, WHOOO!
no subject
no subject
See, that's the thing. Most people have a fic or few they wish had gotten more fb, but they feel greedy or self-indulgent or self-pitying for saying so. I get that. I frankly get peeved when I see people complaining about the fb they do get, 'cause hey, you're not entitled, at least you *got* some. But I wanted a place for us to just lay that aside, a safe place where we could whine all we wanted.
And then no one commented. Seriously, I'm shocked about the lack of comments to this post. I'm thinking about doing a 1a. 1b. and 1c. of this post's very own. I hate to see people bitch about fb and then not come when I open the door, I guess is all. But it was posted right before the blackout so maybe that's it.
And you know, I think maybe that's it on a lot of stuff. I've done a couple of fics I *never* expected to get fb on. They weren't porny; they were dense and difficult to understand and frankly, I don't like to reread them so much because they're so exhausting to read. But I got *damn* good fb on the pieces like that, and I really think that luck is a good part of it--stuff like time of posting. Who happened to see it when. And stuff that has NOTHING to do with how I write, and everything to do with the passing moment, how people are seeing me at the time, what happens to be striking people at the time. I honestly feel like this is part of the reason some of your stuff hasn't recieved the attention I feel it should.
I was going to rec your 5 Connor Things fic for the #2 part of this post, but went to double check and saw that it *did* get a lot of comments, so I ended up not. But yes, the reason that fic stuck in my head was that none of the people I expected to--yeah the connor fans--came to the yard. I just don't get that. It was a fucking phenomenal piece and really great insights into Connor.
Thanks for the other recs. Those are two people I've seen around and wondered what they wrote, so yay.
And I hope you do pimp this, because I'd really *like* for there to be a place for people to stomp their foot and say hey, LOOK.
no subject
Though I *have* at least gotten one feedback from someone who isn't even on LJ. So I know somehow, the word's getting out...
no subject
You know, I always tell this sad sob story, but it's true: I played in various fandoms for five years, and hardly got to know anybody. I felt like pretty much everything I said and everything I wrote got whooshed into this great big void, and no one cared. And it sucked, 'cause I *wanted* to be able to talk with people about fandom, fic, stuff I was interested in.
Another year has passed, and I feel the opposite--I really feel the fandom love. It's really really nice that people do listen, and they're people I like and admire, and I have a lot of fun with big discussions and fb on fic and squeeing about stuff I love with others.
But I know what it's like to want to participate in fandom and feel like you're talking to an empty room because yeah: been there. So I try to do as much as I possibly can to make people not feel that way. This post is a part of that--I want people who feel like they can't get a word in to . . . get the word out.
So, really, thanks for playing. I hope to read the fics you linked some day, and hope some other people drop by too.
no subject
no subject
Hm.
There are some stories where I thought I'd get more comments, but they weren't my usual style (or my usual fandom), so I brought most of them to ff.net. Anime is bigger at ff.net, I guess. But at LJ most people know me as a B/A girl, and so my B/A stories usually get the most attention. Except for Agape (http://community.livejournal.com/kitteninthedark/90213.html).
Agape is BtVS, B/A and *gasp* with a happy ending. But beside that, Agape has something few Lenifics can claim: Plot (and length. My average is 1200 words. This was 14K plus words). Personally, I like it because the voices in it feel real. Most times I've had to fight with the characters to keep the dialogues Jossverse-like. Here I only had to go with the flow, and I think that is reflected in the story itself. It feels a bit out of control sometimes, like when Angel moves in. But it's from Buffy's pov so I liked that as a reader it's an unknown why Angel accepts the situation.
What I liked most about it is that I think I got Buffy and Angel to be friends. Angel is still with Nina, Buffy is still with the Immortal. And okay, the happy ending is very between lines, but! The point of this story was not to make them run into each other's arms and be happy ever after. The point was to show they could work together, that love didn't need to be reborn from ashes but that it could also be a new, beautiful thing.
Okay, that last sentence is what the sequel should be about. But I mean it about the friendship. They share, they tease each other and they bicker like hell has broken loose in their living room. And they like it.
Quite frankly, I feel it's been the best I've written since Courting Sin and, yes, I was a little - or a lot, lol! - crestfallen at the lack of reviews.
Now, why it didn't get those reviews? Bad timing? Long parragraphs? The fact that I acknowledged there'd be B/S and B/I in the Summary? (actually, that was quite the kiss of death. hm) The thank you notes? The very fact that it was B/A friendshippy instead of 'shippy? The first scene? No, really, I blame that first scene. It was too recount-y, and it had long parragraphs.
All of the above?
About 2) Simple.