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River/Connor smackdown!

Ok, not really, but wouldn't it be cool?

Probably you guys know this already because you're this freakish hive mind with super sonic powers, but I'm excited about it anyway. Even if you have already done your stinger waggling bee dances of buzz over it, or whatever. You bunch of weirdos.

A pilot for a show called The Sarah Connor Chronicles, or something else lame and long like that, has been filmed. It's about Sarah and John Connor, set after Terminator 2. Which I think might be among my top ten movies of all time. (Or at least the top ten movies containing Arnie; and a skinny emo-y boy with a squeaky voice who I always thought was actually quite good for the role but now actually also think is kinda pretty [to-my-everlasting-shame] and would love to see having boysex with Connor Connor [*cough* ros_fod who-won't-write-it]; and also containing Catherine with machine-guns-and-stuff instead of those frilly 80s dresses she used to wear for Ron Perlman.)

Anyway, so Sarah and John Connor on the run from terminators, one of whom is played by none other than that badly accented ballerina from Waiting In The Wings, otherwise known as River Tam, otherwise known as really really hot when she does her ballet-moves-of-murderous-intent. OR tries to kill you with her brain. Am I the only one doing the stinger waggling dance of GLEE over this? Anyone? Bee-friends? Summer Glau going "I'll be back" on your ass? The way she moves fulfills a need in me, the need for beauty I have in my life. Her ankles and the bend at her waist fulfill it. Also the flesh of cumcumbers, that's a fragment of beauty I could not live without. But what I'm saying is I want to see River Tam kill lots and lots of things. With her ankles. And the dimples at her shoulder-tips. The top part where the clavicle touches the scapula. That part.

I've seen the John Connor (Thomas Dekker) in several things but I really mourn the lack of Edward Furlong, even though he's strange and kind of fugly now and also got arrested for freeing lobsters (true story). I also mourn the lack of VK even though he never had anything to do with it in the first place. I also mourn the lack of Harry/Draco squee from the stinger waggling dances of my flist because I can't *help* it; I mourn my lack of sense-making regarding them.

The woman playing Sarah Connor is Lena Headey, who was the queen in 300. And Olga from Onegin, not that anyone watches Liv Tyler's lips and Ralph-Fiennes-in-a-corset over and over again except me. She was a great character in 300, but I don't see Sarah Connor in her. If I had to pick one actress on the market today to play that character it would be Katee Sackhoff. It's the blonde hair and the Starbuckyness of her, and also the fact that she is the hotest hot to ever hot since man invented the Equator. Which actually man didn't but work with me here.

As far as Mommy!Connor goes I mourn the loss of Catherine with machine-guns-n-stuff and also T-1!Sarah's rhinestones, and that other fic Fod will never write which is John Connor/Reese, which we all know has nothing to do with Sarah Connor other than that whole incest issue for which I also mourn the lack, because I am dirty sick and wrong, although I mourn no lack of that among the stinger wagglers because you have it in spades or combs or wharever in fact you keep it. In fact you all frighten me. Freaks. I love you so, so much. Thank you for feeling with me over my sad tale of robbery and loss. And with the chimp sex and horror horse stories? That is why I keep you around. In case you were wondering.

From what I can tell this show got picked up, but it's by Fox so I hope Englishmen come on horses and hunt it down if it is any kind of good and gets dropped. I wish, oh I wish, I had a laptop. I've decided that's why I am rambling here today. Now buzz away young friends and write me Buffy/Faith STAT.

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Dovil *always* made me smile. In fact, just thinking about Dovil makes me smile, but now only in sadness.

Maybe they will fuse together and be like Quatto in Total Recall.

Ew?

I've actually thought about writing it several times; I think she said the idea was up for grabs? What's so brilliant about it are the Sarah/Darla parallels, the Angel/Govenator non-parallels. It's fucking, genius.

Now I want to know what happened with the lobsters!

And I kind of want to read VK/EF on a wild lobster-freeing rampage during which they're both kind of drunk and have to jump into a shower together at the end because they smell like seawater...

Yeah, he was on something, and in a grocery store or something, and he took them all out of their cage because he wanted to free them, and he got arrested.

The fact that EF actually did that turns me off the idea of lobsters in RPS entirely.

? Just feeling embarassed for him? Or is it that you don't like using actual RL details in RPS?

Embarrassed for him, I guess. Sad too. I dunno, from what I heard of EF he was pretty fucked up for a while.

I mean, the lobster story is funny. And I would *want* to read a fic like that if it hadn't happened; I'd want to read a fic where EF and VK were a little fucked up or high on something and doing something zany like that together. But the fact that it actually happened makes me attach a reality to it that kinda ruins the fun for me. Like, worry about children and drugs and stuff like that that it's usually pretty easy for me to separate from fic and fantasy.

Anyway, I don't mind RL details in RPS usually, unless it's a suggestion of something bad that really happened or might have happened. And if it is, it only bothers me if I think it's not being handled carefully. Like the lobsters just remind me of his drug problems so just a fun smutty romp with VK would be kinda ruined for me. But if it was treated seriously, like with VK realizing EF is truly fucked up somewhere therein, that this is not just a funny adventure but actually symptomatic of something deeper that's wrong, I'd be fine with it. I mean, it was just lobsters, by I connect it with EF's alleged problems at the time, so that's how I feel about it.

But DB is married. Mention that in RPS, it's ok with me. Make him have sex with JM without going into the consequences and ugly reality of adultery, make it a smutty romp, and it's still fine with me. Because I just don't think DB/JM ever happened or might've happened. But take the exact same story with DB/SMG and I start to have a problem because I think it actually might have happened. But take that smutty romp and add weight to it, deal with the serious issues there, and I will be fine with it all over again.

Um, hopefully that explanation makes sense. Sorry so long!

Though actually the whole lobster thing could be just as much of a result of him being a little nuts. Which is okay with me! But, as I said, when I read that story I was also reading about him being Super Fucked Up, so yeah, bad connections in my head.

No, I hear you completely. I think I wanted details because I feel similarly to you here about any RPS involving NB and his problems with alcohol addiction.

If it were a person I cared less about, I don't know, perhaps it wouldn't be as much of a block. But as it stands, I think it was a tough time for him, and since I...feel for him, that I want things in his life to go well, it's upsetting to find stories that dealt with it in a too-cavalier or kind of rubbernecking way.

Additionally, there were some remarks and posts around the time it was revealed that NB was in rehab that seemed almost...excited about the prospect, that it lent this complication and charge to any rps featuring him that also made mention of these struggles and excesses. And that made me feel sort of sick inside, that anyone would look at it as an opportunity, rather than an occasion to feel troubled and probably sad.

I don't really have much knowledge about or attachment too EF, so I didn't mean to be coarse in reacting that way. I totally understand your reasoning, is all I'm trying to get across.

Seriously ... adoration is distracting. I'm trying to work here. I'm also trying *very* hard to block out thoughts of the Angel post-NFA thing I'm working on and you with the VK and kita with the JM are So Not Helping.

Plus, you, with the hearts. Distracting. You are a Distraction. There. You've been dubbed.

And also, now, I wanna see you drunk AND fannish. That would be good times.

But yeah, dances of DOOM! Totally press my buttons.

I know. I had to use a line about Kali and River in eyes like the summer because HELLO, dancing killing machines. Yeah.

Oh, no, I didn't think you were being coarse. Like I said, lobsters = funny, and if you have no knowledge/don't connect it with his problems at the time, what's not to love about lobster RPS?

Also. I don't think it's morally wrong, imo, for someone to write RPS that deals with someone's real problems but that doesn't deal with the actual issues carefully or seriously. Basically I believe people should be able to do what they want with fiction. But personally, it's not my cuppa, because in that situation I find dissassociating reality and said fiction much more difficult.

I do tend to think, though, that that kind of thing blurs the line for others, too; I mean, if people were excited about NB's problems, that's proof of that diminishing discernment. As if they don't see the difference between fic!Nb and rl!NB. Which *is* wrong, imo, because it leads to ...stuff like people giving that SV guy sex toys, or whatever. The whole reason I'm alright with RPS (in fact, love RPS) is it's about fantasy. If you take it into RL there's something wrong with you.

Dude, I need to find a way to watch that, just for the sheer Glau-erful wonderfulness of it. Even though I haven't watched any of the Terminator movies.

Curse my lack of television access/free time! Maybe I can catch it in summer reruns if it gets picked up . . .

Oh, that makes me sad. Terminator 2 is the awesomest awesome. You have to watch Terminator 1 though because that makes Terminator 2 even awesomer. Don't watch Terminator 3. Ever.

I'm glad I didn't get into tv until after undergrad. The only show I watched then was Gilmore Girls, and it was difficult enough making time for that. Now I watch like 4 shows, which is a lot for me.

Someone has actually written this story. Only me and Fod have seen it. It's- impressively large. *cough* Maybe I could share.

I think Marsters is way hotter than Spike. When he doesn't speak, anyway.

Really?? I <3 the growling too. And I have a strange affection for the purring, used sparingly. It's canon, dammit.

Oh, good I'm glad! I hate to see people leaving over wanky shit!

HELLO GORGEOUS YIS.

I liked it 'cause I wasn't at all interested in Anne Rice vampires. The fact that BtVS vamps had bumpy faces and growled n' shit spake to me of them not trying to prettify these creatures. Then of course there was Angel, but he still is that ugly thing that growls and stuff.

It's been a long, long time since I read a really well-written fic with growling and purring. That's sad.

*breathes deep* I've never watched a Terminator movie. *whew* There, I admitted it. Although I did go on a Terminator ride or show kind of thing at Disney World (or Universal Studios, I guess? same trip) a few years ago, and I think they used footage from the original movie. So I've seen a little!

Not sure I would be totally interested with my lack of Terminator background, but I *would* love to see Summer Glau kick ass again, and I kind of like that Thomas Dekker guy when he's on Heroes. So maybe. But probably not.

"It's been a long, long time since I read a really well-written fic with growling and purring. That's sad."

Word.

You and violaclaire lose.

Terminator 2 really is an awesome movie. I highly rec it. Terminator 1 is bad and 80s cheesy, but I highly rec watching it before T-2 both for the background and because the difference between Linda Hamilton's character in 1 and 2 is part of what makes her so badass. Don't ever watch T-3 even if someone ties you to a chair and tapes open your eyes.

I don't think the show could live up to the badassitude that is T-2, though. Few things do, imo.

omg. I would love you forever.

Well, I've actually only seen JM-not-as-Spike a handful of times. But most of those times I wish think he'd be so much hotter with white hair and a cigarette.

Do you have

coercion friended? She wrote it. Them. There's two parts. They're amazing. And dirty. And amazing. Uhm. Yes.

I've only seen Marsters with the white hair. He didn't need a cigarette, but he did need some fashion advice. It's just his fucking charisma. It's unholy.

yes, I do. She wrote that awesome Spike/Connor fic.

oh, you mean, irl? I find both extreme charisma and beauty difficult to be in the vicinity of. I guess I find it intimidating.

Yea, IRL.

He didn't intimidate me.

Boreanaz, OTOH? I'm just still thankful I didn't faint and vomit on his shoes.

Terminator 1 is bad and 80s cheesy

::butts in to gape the gape of disbelief::

::moss6886 o_O's at you over my shoulder::

I'll agree that T1 is highly dated (give it a couple more years, T2 will join that club), but bad? I mean, it may not have the specific bits of coolness (Robert Patrick, kid-affection fest, badass!Sarah), and it's certainly not as fun, but I've always viewed it as the better film (well, not always, but that's because I first watched them when I was about five and the kid-POV made T2 more accessible).

::disowns you::

::changes mind and welcomes you back even though I can't understand your taste in Terminator movies::

:)

"Bad" may be a bit harsh, but to me T-2 is still worlds above it. (I watched them both again last night!)

Here are the main reasons I think T-2 is a better movie:

1. Plot. The entire plot of T1 can be summed up as Arnie chasing Sarah. That premise (circumstances. Or fate, if you want to be thematic) is the driving force of everything in the movie. Except for the Reese/Sarah love story, which is character driven, but very small. T2, OTOH, is almost all character driven. The premise is still "Terminator comes to eliminate John", but Sarah trying to kill Dyson, Sarah & friends destoying Cyberdyne, John going back for his mom are major plot points that arise not from the initial premise but from decisions the characters make. Imo, this makes for a much stronger, more original, and unpredictable plot.
2. Character. We see T1!Sarah learn her future, but we don't really see her come to grips with it. T2!Sarah has that devlopment already embedded in her; we see echoes of it throughout T2, and we see her develop further with her conflict of trying to control her future vs. becoming something she hates. T1!Arnie is a mindless killer. T2!Arnie is a mindless killer also, but we see him (supposedly) "learn the value of human life", which makes for a far more multi-dimensional character. In some ways, John's arc in T2 parallels Sarah's in T1, but I think he has so many more issues to deal with. Though Reese had some interesting character points I would never ascribe him the depth of John, if only because we get to see so many more of John's issues, and the only issue of Reese's we really see is about Sarah.
3. Theme. I can't really ascribe a theme at all to T-1. You could say it's the "no fate but what we make bit", but as I said re: plot, you don't see the characters make their own fate, you see them react to their fate. Anyway, T2 not only has this theme, but also seriously contemplates the ugliness of humanity, most importantly in the form of the question: do ends justify means? The very same question is one of my favorites in Buffyverse: Giles killing Ben, Buffy sacrificing potentials, Wesley kidnapping Connor, Angel killing Drogyn, etc. T2 asks how far you can go down that road before losing your humanity and becoming the enemy you are fighting. Not to mention all the family themes, which imo are far strong than the love story in T1.
4. Script. T1 is full of lines like, "Come with me if you want to live." When T2 uses similar lines, it is with a sense of irony. It's intelligent
5. Costumes/effects/looks. Yes, this is partly because T2 is newer. But I also think T2 closer approached a timelessness that some few movies do actually manage to achieve, no matter how old.

So anyway, that's my manifesto.

I don't forgive you for liking T1 better, but I've decided not to disown you anyway. *loves*

*loves you all up* 'cause I haven't done that yet today. Well, the thing about not having my laptop is I have this job where I just sit here. Usually I bring in my laptop and try to write, fic or original, and just go online leetle bits. But without my laptop I only have the work comp, on which I find writing far more difficult b/c it's not my own personal space. So I'm online like, all 8 hours.

Lots of people in my life have said they wanted to see me drunk, because I'm so *nuts*, they think I'll be a riot. But actually I tend to get quieter, more thoughtful, and more thinky, but like, *less* thinky, because I'm drunk. I just *feel* all thinky. Of course if I get really rip-roarin' drunk I just splooge all over the place, but I very much dislike myself that drunk. I never do that unless i have really bad cramps. Which happened once on the 4th of July in front of my whole extended family. *head desk*

line about Kali and River

That was fucking *awesome*.

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