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Oh, so, I meant that, about good bye.

Thought about it a lot, and I'm leaving Livejournal.

That's all dramatic and stuff, but I probably won't be gone until the end of the year. If most people decide to leave, and there's a mass exodus before then, I may be gone earlier. But this journal, my fic journal, and my private backup journal will be gone for certain by January 1, 2008.

I have a lot of stuff to say about the whole LJ/6A debacle, but for some reason every time I start a post on it I just have to get up and walk away from it, give it some time, read lots and lots of Harry/Draco, spend time with my family, or eat ice cream. Can't decide whether I'm too angry about it, depressed perhaps, lazy maybe, or possibly I'm an ostrich? Anyway, during the strikeout in May I felt very energized, but maybe that was because I thought that it was possible that LJ had made a mistake, and after hearing customer complaints, would fix it. In other words, I knew I was going to give Livejournal another chance. Well, I did, but I am still displeased as a customer. So, I take my business elsewhere.

I don't know where. One of the reasons I'm staying on LJ for another few months is that I want to see how many other people leave and where they go. Even if a lot of you leave (which I sekritly hope you will), it will not be all at once, and LJ will still be the place to be in the thick of fandom things for a while. If there is a mass movement, decision making, support/rallying/reasearch/etc to be done, I want to be involved. And if people are going to continue to discuss the issues connected to why I'm leaving, I want to be a part of those discussions. Because I do have a lot to say, and I want to say it to my flist, people who I'm interested in having around wherever I end up.

I'm going to back up the journals I have here and copy them to Insane Journal for now. I'm going to be cross-posting to Insane Journal (where I am tkp) and possibly Journal Fen over the next several months. I hope to gradually phase out: to just post links to fic here, instead of actual fics here, etc. Then I will be gone. I know I can make myself do that, but I know I can't make myself never visit LJ again. If you do decide to stay and not post elsewhere, I may still visit from time to time, but I will not have an account here ever again. I don't want to lose touch with any of you. I mean, well, except you; you're always talking about your grandmother's corns.

So, um, this isn't quite yet goodbye, and won't be for a while. Mostly I'm just posting this because once I say I'll do something, I'll do it. And now I've said it.

Okay, now that announcements are over: what're your thoughts? Leavin' on a jet plane? Why? Staying, why? Cat macros? Why not? Where are you going, if you go, where're you lookin' at, what are your hopes and dreams for fandom future? What did you think of the last ep of Mad Men? Is Jason Isaacs the man, or what? How 'bout that burr86, Barak, and Brad? Does the news comm make you laugh, cry, headdesk, or wha...? Did anyone even like the first two Bourne movies? What's your favorite pizza delivery service? Do you think Livejournal would disallow canon!Buffy/Angel fanart? How come I can't spell misogyny? What's the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist? And the number one question all of us are asking: how come Buffy never wore the go-go boots again?

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I...know exactly how you feel. Sadly, I'm paid up until July 2008 (after which I'm dropping down to no-paid, no-ads basic), so I'm stuck here a bit longer.

I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to extract myself from LJ, because it seems at least half the people I really, really want to stay in touch with are remaining here (they all have perm accounts, and so they're basically sitting on LJ's system anyway).

The only immediate action I can take is moving

cubed_music off of LJ and making it an IJ-only com. As for fic...providing the link to an IJ post resolves my issue there. One I finish the three WiPs I've got that are two chapters from the end, I'm going to start doing that.

Like you, I hate this. But unless something major happens in the next six months, I think I'll be massively cutting back my interaction with LJ.

for now, for the forseeable future, i'll stay.

i've already done an lj-flee: nipplegate2006 (http://ljabuse.blogspot.com/2006_06_04_ljabuse_archive.html). me and all my friends packed up, gave lj the finger, and went, mostly, to gj. and then half of us left gj and went to vox. and them some of those went to ij. some came back to lj, like me, with a different user name. the people who had supported me and co-miserated with me all through my pregnancy and birth and the fucked-up-insano-acid-trip that is being a new mom were scattered. friendships that had lasted half a decade just disappeared.

and of course, lj didn't care that we left. because they suck. and we all know they suck, and they started sucking way before the strikehtorugh.

fandom is organizing better. this, in part, is because every member of fandom organizing doesn't have a kid on their tit, and having a kid on yr tit seriously effects the amount of shit you can get done. i've been reading

fandom_flies and links posted in that community, and it sounds like maybe there's enough energy. people and money to create a space where there isn't such a kneejerk reaction to anything that could be construed as quetionable and might therefore cost the farm. i support the efforts.

lj doesn't like us. and when i say us, i'm taking about a group of poeple that extends beyond fandom. i'm talking about anybody who won't just take no for an answer and leave it at that. those who experience life outside of the slim margin the dominant culture deems normal and want to share their thoughts about it. those who get hackles-up, and rightly so, when their freedom is wrangled and threatened. lj fucking hates us. lots and lots of businesses, systems and individuals hate us.

so i say, fuck you, lj. i hate you right back. i hate you so much that when you say plz don't put yr pr0n up here imma say what as that? didn't quite hear, and then bombard you with my filthy smutty fanfic. and maybe pictures too. just to tick you off.

and i will do it until you shut me down. and i hope there are lots of people who will stay here and do it until they shut us down. because, yeah, they could realistically do just that. but it'd be way more trouble, way more of a pr nightmare, way more expensive for lj/6a to have to shut down thousands of journal than to have to deal with the straglers after a mass leaving out.

i don't know. i didn't think i had so much to say.

I feel like we've just met - and I really enjoy reading your posts - so this makes me sad. However, I do understand the principle behind what you are saying.

These are a few of my thoughts, if you don't mind. When I started LJ-ing (is that a word?) it was mainly for myself. I got all POTO fan-girly on 3-4 forums and met people there. Slowly people who read my fanfiction and forum posts wandered over here. Most posted anonymously because they didn't have LJ accounts. Slowly they started getting LJ accounts, and I was glad, because anonymous spam (for sexchats, etc.) started showing up occasionally, and it was just easier to limit comments to registered users instead of having to pick off the spam.

What leads me to stay are the people I've met (like you, and

my_daroga, who introduced us.) Another factor is that I've found some really interesting communities here. Even though many of them haven't been updated in a while, or are very sporadic, I still have mined their archives, which have been useful to me for writing.

I did get GJ and IJ accounts (both under the same name, stefanie_bean - feel free to friend me at IJ if you like, even though I don't have anything posted there right now.) Haven't wanted to pay for a JF account so far; maybe I will later.

I went ahead and backed my journals up - don't know if I'll try to "export" them to a new home or not. A great deal of the "meat" of my LJ is in the comments, and if the comments don't export to a new site, there doesn't seem much point in doing it.

Personally, I'm not sure the other sites (GF, IJ, JF) are any kind of absolute safe harbor against this kind of nonsense. There are bigger forces out there which aren't going away: increased puritanism; increased #s of lawsuits and a broken tort system that encourages them; confusing and chaotic child porn/child abuse laws that boil down to "I know it when I see it." These forces are going to pursue people who push the margins with their art everywhere they go.

However, I do understand your desire to "make a stand" by quitting LJ, and at least not including your journal in their "head count." I do hope that wherever you go, you will leave a "forwarding address" so that we can stay in touch!

From what I've been reading, if we want to make a "point" to 6A/LJ, it's not a good idea to delete accounts. I understand blogging sites *love* it if you do that 'cause it frees up their space. The better way to make a point is to keep an account, but knock it to Basic w/o ads, so they don't get revenue from ads and they can't use your space.

ALSO ... if you want to be able to check in with the people who are staying at LJ, you'll need an account and to stay on their friendslists so that you can read their f'locked posts. Practically my entire flist posts under friendslock a good 80% of the time and with the latest behavior from our Corporate Overlords, this f'locking is only likely to increase.

Even if people x-post everywhere and you see their posts at IJ, you might miss good conversations in comments if you can't see an f'locked thread on LJ.

So ... I think you should keep that option open.

Yeah, I'll be staying here. I made a post (http://viciouswishes.livejournal.com/677940.html) on my LJ a few days ago about why I'm staying and why I think think both fandom and LJ are at fault on this wank. As always, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and I probably blamed HP fandom too much at large than pointing out specifics.

I do have other journal accounts at IJ, JF, and GJ, but I seriously doubt I'll be updating them. I don't think that they're greener pastures; they just look like it from the other side of the fence.

I also just read an excellent post on the silencing of women's sexuality as it relates to this latest go round. So far LJ has deleted: breast feeding art, fandom art- all women's work. No art or fiction involving violence or mutilation has ever been deleted. No community built around hate speech (pro-Nazi, etc) has ever been deleted. No communities harmful to girls (pro-anorexia, etc.) has ever been deleted. That made me say hmm.

I would love to read this post. Could you link to it, if it's public?

I don't want to make a point to 6A/LJ. 1) I don't think I could, and 2) I don't care enough about them to "teach them a lesson".

I'm leaving LJ because I do not think I will get the service I want here. That is all.

I am, of course, saddened by the thought of missing some things because they are under flock. But I've already weighed the pros and cons, and have made this decision.

Oh, I'm glad you have an IJ. See you there!

Hey! Missed seein' ya around.

I think I might be sad, too, after the weird blankness dies away, but if you want to keep up with me, you'll be able to, and I will certainly keep up with you and those on my flist I care about. If lots of people decide to stay on LJ I'll still be around reading posts and stuff, but never with my own account. I'm too dissatisfied with the way LJ has been treating customers to feel like this is I place I'd be comfortable housing so much of myself.

*hugs back*, and you don't need to cling! I'm right here.

I guess part of the reason I did decide to leave is I really do have faith fandom can recreate the same community elsewhere. If it doesn't, well...that'll suck. But while I have seen lots of people saying they're staying, it's not with the kind of conviction with which the fewer people are leaving. So I figure, if those of us who do leave do find a stable place elsewhere, those left behind will eventually come too. And I completely understand that "not leaving unless everyone else does" sentiment--I felt that way the first Strikethrough. This time through it just feels wrong, for me, personally, to stay, but I understand those who are.

I don't want to lose you or anyone else either, semby. You were one of my first lj friends. But I have a lot of confidence that fandom and the networks and friends everyone's established here will continue on in some form, even if it's shaky for a while.

I guess for me it isn't as important since I don't have fic that people might search for.

Well, for me, it's important 'cause...my LJ entires have been a part of my life. Not just my fic, but my random posts, people's random responses and everything. The whole "people need to be able to find my fic!" things is a far second in importance. Maybe because I really doubt that many people read my stuff after my initial posts.

I do think quite a few people have said they're staying. I wouldn't want to check 2 flists either, and if a lot of people do stay, I'm not really looking forward to surfing lj without an account. But I'm placing a lot of faith in the idea that fandom can construct a place for itself, and that if you build it, they will come.

Not a problem then! Just thought it might be something you hadn't considered.

When you move, I'll be seeing you around IJ ... and I'm sure you will let me know where all the fic is.

(I have a batch of the Groundhog Day fic chapters to catch up on!)

Hi. I'm completely lost, why are you leaving LJ?

To answer some of your questions, I'm staying b/c I like it here. Anddd, the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist is one can prescribe medicine and the other can't, but I'm not sure which one is which.

Oh, I thought you were leaving after your paid account ended; I misunderstood. It does suck to be paid through for so long.

A lot of people have said they're staying. Personally, I'm really really interested in fandom constructing a place of it's own, and I feel like it's sort of a "if you build it they will come" situation. I don't mean necessarily that they fandom will leave lj, but that they will interact with the new place enough such that those who don't have ljs any more are still getting the fandom experience they want. Maybe that's a naive hope of mine, but believing in it is part of the reason I made the decision to leave.

Even if LJ did something really major to clean this whole mess up, I think I'd still be leaving. I mean, if a restaurant makes me wait and gives me bad food and bad service, even if they comp my meal and gaurantee better service next time, I probably still wouldn't go back.

http://erestor.livejournal.com/402760.html?format=light - Pretty sure it's this one. If not lemme know.

I'm sorry about your own leaving LJ experience. I hope I don't lose touch with anyone. I didn't hear about the whole nipplegate thing until the Strikeout thing became so big; it just adds to the evidence that LJ isn't where I want to be right now.

I think LJ doesn't really care about us one way or the other, and I don't have a problem with that. Best Buy doesn't care about me either, but I still shop there, because they have some things I want there.

I do think that LJ seems to be trying to move towards the mainstream, making a bigger business and something more universal. So yes, they do have a problem with those who, as you say, share thoughts outside what dominant culture deems normal, but it's nothing personal.

But for fandom, it means that LJ is no longer going to be providing the services we need. So I hope we can reestablish elsewhere.

I don't hate LJ. I don't want to tick LJ off--I don't think I can and I don't care enough to try. I just hope to go somewhere where my needs as a customer will be met, with the kind of treatment I expect extended toward any customer making use of a a business's service.

Oh, dear. Just when I thought the only hit to flist would be some ruffled feathers and contingency-plan journals. :(

I'm going to stay, at least for a while. Because I like it here (I worked to get my journal the way I like it. The color scheme alone took a week.), and I think that the number of people running over to all of the smaller, less expensive, independently run LJ knockoffs is going to start a chain of events that will start with the prices being raised just a bit to afford new high-capacity servers to keep up with the rush... and end with LiveJournal: The Next Generation. The exact same crap, only five years later. Pessimistic? Hell yes. But at least if I stay, my vu won't be deja-ing, and things might improve.

But I can respect your reasons for saying bye: you're unsatisfied and pissed off, so you're leaving. I can get that, even if it does make me sad because I like you, and I can't even keep up with one flist most of the time let alone two (unless... does IJ do email notifications? If it does, then I could keep track of my friends who've bailed without having to actually check two flists, and cross-posting to a fourth location - I also do Facebook and a student blog - shouldn't be too hard...).

It's the conspiracy theorists in this kerfuffle that bother me. The ones that yammer on about how 6A is trying to oppress us big loser geeks in fandom (and only fandom), because they deleted two journals for posting content that was illegal on multiple levels (Dude, if 6A wanted to oppress us, we'd have been all been reported to copyright lawyers and subsequently slapped with C & D orders).

rahirah,

liz_marcs, and

viciouswishes &

lornelover all managed to sum up some portion of my opinion or another. I may do my own post on the subject. It would probably have roughly the same content as what I've just said here, only much bitchier and with sledgehammer-weight detailing of exactly why I *don't* want LJ's obscenity standards clarified.

Yeah, you heard right. Bitchier than those last two paragraphs. ;) I'm a bit grumpy - it's because I leaped back onto the internets full of Harry Potter love, and fic bunnies, and Firefly rpg glee (http://ravenwings-7.livejournal.com/35375.html because I can't remember the link markup), only to discover that fandom was falling apart right in time for me to have no fun stuff to read and talk about during my only time off until January, only lots and lots of stress. :(

But enough gloom!

I now speak in Cat Macro-ish! I can has snacks whenevers!

I let other people tell me about the news comm, all it gets from me is ignoration!

I... don't watch Mad Men. ::hides:: Is it good?

Jason Isaacs is not the man. He is merely an honorable mention. The man is, in fact, Gary Oldman. Second place goes to Alan Rickman.

Jason Bourne kicks. Ass. Especially the car chases. We have the DVDs - they're some of the relatively few movies that my dad rewatches on a regular basis (compared to Moss and I). I keep meaning to read the books, Moss has been a fan of them for many years.

Pizza Hut! Godfather's is pretty good too.

Joss probably decided that the go-go boots (want them, I does) and crazy high heels of DOOM were degrading for an adult woman. Poor Joss, his heart's in the right place, but he does go a bit overboard sometimes...

-I definitely, definitely have so loved meeting and interacting with the people I've met here. And it's been a pleasure getting to know you. I think we'll be able to stay in touch, if you use your IJ account, and if you don't--well, I'll still visit your LJ. If you don't allow anon. comments, mind if I email if there's anything particularly interesting to discuss?

-You don't have to pay for a JF account if you sign up here. I need to go tell daroga about that.

-Pretty positive there's a method to export your journal with *all* your comments. I'll post a how-to once I do it myself. I will be most sad to lose all the posts in my memories; though if the people who made those posts stay on LJ I'll bookmark their entries, and if they don't I'll find them elsewhere. But I have a lot of random posts memoried, just to keep track!

-I don't think other sites are safe harbors either. I think fandom's best bet is starting their own journal/blogging/archive/site thing, but even that will always be in danger for the very causes you state. But my biggest problem here isn't that LJ is deciding to eliminate some forms of content--that really does suck, but I understand why they're doing it. No, my problem is HOW they're doing it.

-I am not really doing this to make a stand. I really haven't been clear, because I haven't been posting on this issue; eventually I hope to get my thoughts in order and post about it. But I sort of look at it as: I want a particular product from a particular company. They no longer have the quite the product I want, so I go to a different company. Furthermore, when the initial company stopped carrying the particular product I desired, they were disrespectful to customers about it, which makes me disinclined to use their company for any other products I might desire--not because I'm indignant or morally outraged, but because I don't want to have to deal with their bad customer service.

I mean, I'd do the same with a restaurant that had bad service. If I have a bad enough experience there, I don't go back. It's not making a stand; it's exerting my privilege as a sometimes paying customer.

I did see your post. I don't disagree with you so much as feel that you are missing the point. Well, a lot of people who are on the other side of the fence as you are missing the point, too.

It's a point I hope to clarify once I can get my thoughts together and finally post on this issue, but the short version is this:

1) I am not entitled to do whatever I want on my LJ. But I want to do whatever I want on some journal or other. LJ doesn't have to give it to me; I don't have to stay.

2) I'm not trying to "show" LJ by leaving. I'm not trying to make an impact. LJ doesn't offer the service I want any more, and furthermore, I see customers being treated badly for it (not just ones who got deleted. Me, myself, because I'm not getting an explanation for it, and for various other factors described here and here). If I have bad enough service at a restaurant, I don't come back, and it's not because I'm trying to take that restaurant down; it's 'cause I don't want to have to potentially deal with that shit.

3. There's no journaling site anywhere that'll let me do whatever I want, but at some I stand a better chance than at others, and I also stand a chance of being better treated when I am denied it. Oh yes it is hopeful thinking, greener pastures, etc etc, but I'm not going to stop trying because I've had a bad consumer experience at LJ. I stand the best chance at a service fandom creates all on its own, for its own, and I made the decision to leave partly because I believe that fandom can and will do that. Right now, though, IJ has proven it's capacity for potentially better customer service by clarifying its ToS in the wake of the LJ mess, which LJ still has not done.

I don't think everyone feels this way--I see a lot of people wanting to leave due to moral outrage, or because they think they can teach LJ a lesson. I'm just a dissatisfied customer. I would think anyone in fandom would be, but if they're not--well, they can keep dealing with the shitty business as long as they can stand it.

Oh, I agree that my LJ entries are a document of my life. And that's why I have used the archiving tool to back up my LJ. (That reminds me, I should do that again since it's been awhile...) But I was just saying that I'm not sure why I should bother to transfer my entries to Insane Journal or Greatest Journal if I do jump ship, since I will have copies of my old LJ entries on my archive which will be on my PC hard disk. I doubt anyone but me is interested in my journal, so if I have a copy... *shrug*

Now YOUR fic, on the other hand -- I will be unhappy if you, and my other friends who are writers, don't take your fic with you when you go. Because I have to confess that I haven't copied every last story to my hard drive or printed it out.

Given the circumstances, I have just enabled anonymous comments, and will see how it goes. Picking off a few spam-nits is worth it to keep in touch with people.

You are also welcome to e-mail me anytime; my e-mail address is on my userinfo page.

Thank you SO MUCH for pointing me to that JF recommendation thread. It was pretty funny; my_daroga was the entry just before mine! I wanted to :wave: but I figured the OP had enough e-mail to deal with...

Maybe you can make a Word file of your memories posts? That's what I did for my friends list; I just copied and pasted the page into Word, and it contained the links as well.

Hey! If you don't know what's going on with Livejournal and the corporation that owns LJ, Six Apart, you can see a brief summary in this comment here. Because of what is happening with LJ/6A, I am dissatisfied with LJ as a customer. I hope that over the next few weeks, or possibly months, I can post more about what I think LJ is doing wrong, why I'm leaving, why I hope my flist and fandom pick up and leave too.

I knew that was the difference too, but I couldn't remember which was which either! Someone clarified it above though--the psychiatrist is the one that can prescribe meds. Thanks :o)

and end with LiveJournal: The Next Generation.

Do you mean you think that eventually we would have the same trouble with IJ too, if it got to be fandom's new home? --I think so too, which is why I am hoping fandom constructs its own journaling service and new homes. Of course there were be problems with THAT, too, some of them legal, but it stands the best chance. The way I see it--fandom, by its very nature, HAS to exist on the fringes, which means as the uh, metaphoric universe expands, fandom has to keep on picking up and moving to the outskirts. And...that sucks, but I'd rather do that than get swallowed by the mainstream.

It's so interesting that you mention rahirah, Liz, viciouswishes, and lornelover that way. I see the first two as fundamentally opposed to the latter two (their recent posts on the issue I mean, not as people). That is to say...a lot of vw's and ll's points are valid, and their are lots of fans behaving stupidly about this. But that doesn't change the fact that aside from whatever our rights are or the fact that LJ is a corporation or blah blah blah, they're still treating customers badly, as rahirah and Liz say. And that's a really good reason to leave, while vw's post and ll's are not reasons to stay, only insights as to why the reasons some people are leaving are stupid.

Yeah, so--definitely agree that people're being stupid, especially in thinking they're oppressed or that LJ is out to get them.

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I can speak Cat Macro too!

The news comm last time was wanky and full of stupid people, but entertaining. Now it is just wanky and full of stupid people.

I found the first two eps of Mad Men excellent, and unexpectedly really enjoyable (unexpected 'cause I usually don't like shows in which all the characters are disgusting). However, the third ep utterly flubbed for me.

I have loved Gary Oldman since middle school. I have loved Rickman since highschool, so less long, but more ardently. But Isaacs is so cute. He asked JKR if he was gonna get to be in the 7th book because he really wanted Lucius Malfoy to do stuff. Plus he says he's read Lucius fanfic. I just want to pet him.

Yech. I just get so bored during the Bourne car chases.

I love Pizza Hut, but think I'm starting to love Domino's more. I've never tried Godfather's.

Yeah, but Buffy's grown up wardrobe made me sad. I loved being horrified by things she wore in S1 & 2.

Well, if anon comments gets to be annoying for you, I'll definitely keep up with your journal anyway and just do the email thing. I have anon comments enabled and never get that kinda crap; I have no idea how that happens.

Yeah, I always kinda wanted a JF account, even if I'm not sure I'll ever use it. I don't like the idea of ALL of my content only being accessible to those over 18; I do quite a lot of G rated stuff.

Excellent idea about making a file of memories posts. Maybe I'll do that!

and all that totally makes sence. of course if you are a client or customer, they don't got what you need, and they're assholes about not having what you need, it's time to jet.

for me though (and let it be said that the vast majority of my mutual flist are local folks who are my real life friends) that fact that lj has all my homies on it means they have what i want. what i want is my community.

i was gifted a paid account anonymously, and the fact that lj is makin' bucks on me isn't my favorite. but if it were just me and my free no-ads account, as it was for a long time before some really nice nameless person bought me 100 icons, they're getting nothing from me, and i'm getting a free playground from them. am i gonna pay to get mistreated? of course not. no one should. am i gonna look over my shoulder, f-lock my porn? personally, no. if i can't do it my way, it's not worth it for me to be here.

but as long as i can do it my way, and all my friends are here, and it's costing me $0, i'm hard-pressed to believe that i, individually speaking, can get it better somewhere else. if the hypothetical resturant (i've read most comments to this entry) was rude to me, but said, "so long as you're willing to put up with our rudeness, which probably won't imporve, you can eat here every day for free", and the vast majority of my friends ate there for free everyday too, and when the resteraunt servers were assholes we all just kinda laughed and ignored it, yeah. i'd eat there all the damn time, y'know?

so i guess it boils down to everyone having to ask themselves: what exactly is it that i want/need from a blogging service? do i get those needs met at lj? can anybody else better meet them? (and, y'know, if you're a bigger picture kind of person, insert fandom where all the i's are.)

i'm not trying be arguementative. at all. you know, i hope, that i pretty much think you're the coolest. i'm behind you and anyone else who needs to get out of here, no questions asked. i am really behind the creation of a space that seriously addresses the needs of fandom bloggers, and if that space is created, i'll absolutly check it out. i only put all this here cuz you asked. and, i don't know, i was feeling conversational.

i get my pizza from this joint (http://www.pizzaluce.com), particulary the rustler, athena, and baked potato. i also dig their pesto turkey sammie hardcore, and squee over tha fact that you can have them deliver a pint of ben and jerry's vanilla and a bottle of root beer. i'm a complete root beer float slut. esp. with good pizza.

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