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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2009-01-10 07:55 pm

Mommy, what's an internet?

1) I think sometimes we all forget the internet is for porn. It's a sad state of affairs. I hope one day our youth will grow up with the truth, instead of these lies about the internets being SRS BIZNESS. On that note:

2) Where is the Spike/Giles? Flist, I friended you for a reason. Don't let me down in my new housemate's time of need.

3) Have you seen the movie, The Godfather? Did you like it? Why? I understand that this movie is cleverly shot and superbly acted, but why is it so well-loved and famous? I mean, I know why I love it, but they do not seem to be reasons of the masses, forgive my gross stereotype. And why doesn't The Godfather have fandom? Why is it all these . . . non-fannish fans who don't write fanfiction and think no one in the stories can be gay? For that matter, why am I so fannish about it? I'd think it was a fluke, but turns out I was this obsessed before (in 2005 I wrote fic for it. I never forgot it, but I was kinda surprised when I thought about it when I started getting excited about reseeing the first movie). Lastly: WHERE IS THE TOM HAGEN LOVE?

Please, even if you've only just seen the first one in passing, lemme know what you think about it.

[identity profile] dakinigrl.livejournal.com 2009-01-11 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
huh... I guess I have always taken for granted that everyone sees the films as the arch of Michael's evolution, all the intricacies of his character. I mean... by the end of the third film Coppola is pretty much hitting you on the head with the moral of the story. The tragedy of it all. Michael's hopeless situation, how unable to find redemption he is. Hmph. There I go over estimating people again. ; )

HA HA HA HA. Hey... Michael/Tom could be hot. I mean, they aren't actually brothers so it's not really incest. But it's kind of like incest. Hot! hmmmm.....
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-01-11 06:33 am (UTC)(link)
Well...I mean, possibly the places I'm looking, people are so entrenched in the Godfather, they've taken it for granted this is the obvious meaning and aren't even talking about it any more.

I guess what surprises me is what I'm seeing people attribute to Michael's motivations. So many seem to see it as a story of someone completely corrupted by ambition and greed and his own selfishness to the point where he's destroying himself. Well, maybe. But imo that's an old story and a boring one.

What You Need: Here's Michael/Tom. It's hot. She's written two, but they're the only ones of that pairing I've found. It makes me so sad.

[identity profile] dakinigrl.livejournal.com 2009-01-11 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
good stuff that. very nicely done. I think I'd take a different angle on it... but well done. Thanks chiqua!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-01-17 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
What angle would you take?

Just curious. And have no one to talk to about this! :o(

[identity profile] dakinigrl.livejournal.com 2009-01-17 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
Well... I have been giving it some thought ; ) and I see Tom as being the sub to both Sonny and to Michael. My understanding of m/m relationships in both ancient Roman and Sicilian cultures is that there is alot of master/slave/sub/dom stuff intermingled, with sex being a part of it or not. I see Mafia families as easily carrying this tradition forward. So Tom, being a kid who was taken into the family off the street... who's to say he wasn't turning tricks out there... or at least surviving on his knees at some points... I can see Sonny as having brought him in beneath him... and Michael asserting his dominance as well at some point.

I would set the scenes mostly during the time periods that the first two films cover... with a few flashbacks to their origins.

I intended to get this written... but have had a lot else on my plate at the moment. I'm definitely going to keep it on my list... but I probably won't get to it for more than a week. Maybe before Valentines Day.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-01-17 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
1. You are so awesome!
2. I hope you do the fic. That would rock my socks.
3. Part of what fascinates me about it is the control issues. I don't see there being a firmly outlined master/slave type relationship between Tom and either Sonny or Michael, though I suppose that's certainly possible! But Tom is incredibly subservient in a way that interests me. I always saw it as him wanting so desperately to be accepted, and being so so grateful to them all, while still being hyper-aware (partly because they keep him so) that he's not actually part of their family. And both Sonny and Michael are just as incredibly domineering. I think they both loved Tom, but walked all over him, and used him, and he let them and wanted them to, to some extent.
4. !!! I totally imagine Tom turning tricks on the street. In fact that is what I'm writing about. Of course it's possible he didn't, but I think it's just as possible he did, considering the subservience and gratitude angles. It seems entirely plausible for the character to me.
5. If you're interested, [livejournal.com profile] hollycomb does some awesome Sonny/Tom. Again, not a clear D/s relationship, but Sonny is obviously in control, and Tom will obviously do anything. There's a focus on how needy Tom is. I found them really hot, and some quite insightful, even if I secretly wish she wrote Tom/Michael . . .
Elsewhere In America is a sort of prequel about Tom and Sonny's relationship.
To The Mattresses takes place when Michael is in Sicily The Godfather, and is about Tom and Sonny holed up during the war.
Thick As Thieves is a short, AU during Connie's wedding.
Raised By Wolves is a "what if the Don took Sollozzo's deal", and has the brothers getting together later in life.
6. Thanks so much for talking about this with me :o)

[identity profile] dakinigrl.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
your fic sounds awesome. I can hardly wait to read it!!

Yeah, I agree that the Sonny/Tom and Michael/Tom wouldn't be a formal Master/Slave relationship. I see it as being psychological primarily. I love your articulation of how that plays out with his gratitude and how they never let him forget he's not really part of the family. It's so true.

I'll definitely have to click around to those fics. I love the premises they pose.

I was watching Godfather on DVD (I have the whole collection) and my daughter found the disc in there. She asked me why I was watching that suddenly... and it was so funny because I actually felt myself blush. HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! No way I'm telling her that I'm writing porn about it. I don't need to add to the inappropriate content she's already been subjected to. No one needs to hear their mom talk about Godfather porno. HA HA HA HA HA HA.

XOXOXO