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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2009-03-28 11:29 pm
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Writing on books



I'm reading Mr. Sammler's Planet by Saul Bellow, and I find I'm very . . . well, struck by the way I'm reading it . . . and how much I need to scrawl all over it.

Before college I never wrote on books. But in college I discovered that I owned books, and didn't have to give them back, and that I needed to mark certain passages for essays, and that these marks might be interesting to me when I reread at some later date. I highlighted a lot of textbooks, but the novels I handled differently. Often it went this way: I was given a list of essay topic suggestions for whatever book we were reading. Say the topics were feminism and Marxism. So I'd read and mark, "this is a feminism part" "this is a Marxism part", and sometimes I'd underline parts I knew would be good to quote in the essay. Every once in a while I underlined writing I was impressed by and certain thoughts I felt pertained to me, which might be useful to me in living my life.

Now college is over . . . but I still do this. A few weeks ago I read Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynne Jones. I didn't mark up Howl's as though I was going to write an essay. I underlined some lines that were funny, sounded cool, seemed wise, or had interesting turns of phrase, but that was about it. So I don't do this with every book I read.

Sammler is something I was assigned to read in college, but didn't get around to. Maybe that's why I feel the need to treat it like I'm going to write an essay about it. Or maybe because I want to post in my LJ more, and make it a more thorough reflection of myself, I am hoping to write an essay about it. But mostly I think it's that there are some books that stimulate me emotionally/vicerally, and other books that stimulate me intellectually. It's not as though I didn't have (what I think are) stimulating intellectual thoughts about Howl; I considered male hero/romantic archetypes and Draco Malfoy and the roles of masculinity and feminity in the male hero which I hope to write about here some time soon. But I wasn't doing that thing I'm on about here, where I pick apart every single word and find every fractal triple meaning. I am doing that with Sammler.

The books I'm referring to when I say "stimulate me intellectually" are books I do not feel I would otherwise understand if I did not pick them apart. I might read Sammler as if I was reading Howl, and pick up some things I might enjoy thinking about, but I feel like I would miss the point of Sammler that way, and not get all that is offered me from it. I also think I would forget the book quite easily, because there's little to hold onto without digging deeper. Howl has a great plot and Howl himself is a loveable character. Sammler doesn't have much of a plot, and Artur Sammler himself is difficult to grasp as a character either to like or dislike.

Anyway, I spent the first 50 pages or so of Sammler writing generalizations in the margins: this part is about "mind vs. body", this part is about " humanity's need to explain everything", this part is about "time". Then the next 50 pages or so I spent trying to figure out what the author is saying about these different concepts. He's saying nothing can be explained, that the body will always force itself on the mind, that the future equals death. Then the rest of the book I spend looking for evidence of these conclusions.

Of course it's not so clean-cut as that. Half-way in I might find a concept which has really been threading through the novel all along, but that I didn't catch in the beginning--then I have to go back and find earlier parts where that concept or theme reared its head. And sometimes, especially when I'm not sure what the concept is, but I know it's something important that relates to something important that was said earlier, I go back and find the earlier passage on page 50 and then go and add "c.f. pg 50" to page 60, or wherever. Mostly I like to write "c.f." because it makes me feel that I am very clever, but it is fun to realize on pg 90 that something from pg 50 was important, and then to go to page 50 and see a note for page 13, and go to page 13 and realize what the author might really be trying to say on page 90.

But of course it makes the process of reading exhaustive. I spent two hours the other day reading about 11 pages. But if I didn't do this, I wouldn't understand it. And it's not that I need to understand what the author is trying to say; it's that I need things to make sense to me in my own head. I do this with David Lynch movies. I don't really care if some scenes are random, if some props aren't meant to be symbolic, if some lines aren't meant to mean anything. I need everything to mean something to me, or else I don't care about it and feel it's a waste of my time. So I look for meaning so that I can enjoy the art, whatever it is. But as I said, my enjoyment is very different than if I am watching The Sound of Music, or reading Howl's Moving Castle.

Anyway, I marvel at my notations. I think a part of me is impressed with myself for being so intellectual, but mostly I realize I'm ridiculous. I get so upset that I have no way of distinguishing whether a passage is underlined because it refers to something else that will help make the meaning clear, or because the writing was cool, or because I think it could personally help me in life. The other day I noted in the margin, "This is just for you, Joy!" These days I mark with an asterisk if the writing is cool and write at the bottom "writing". I usually only comment on the writing if a technique is being used that I haven't seen or made note of before that I think I could use in my own writing. Then the parts that are marked in order to make meaning clear to me usually have the relevant concepts and c.f.s written beside them, but it all gets so messy. It's like reading a novel just reading my margins.

Anyway, STOP. Poll time.

[Poll #1374083]

If you want, I'd love to read about how you read, what books you mark up, how you mark them up, and why you desecrate your reading material so. (Sacrilige! Besmircher and betrayor!)

[identity profile] tilco-cat.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
/Isn't that what margins are for?/

... thinking about it, that's kinda true!

I often read about people writing in the margins in novels about the olden days (like the victorian era etc.)

*shrug* I grew up being taught that any form of scribbling on books are Sacrilige! Desecration! Defilement! Befoulers and besmirchers! XD It's interesting to see some people still keep the old habit :3
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
I grew up being taught that too. I also grew up being taught not to walk and read at the same time as I'd run into something.

...Guess I'm a Victorian at heart :o)

[identity profile] neptuneskisses.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 09:35 am (UTC)(link)
Hee! Interesting!! Actually I often write in margins in non-fiction books but tend to get lost in the story in fiction books. and now I have a Sony E-reader where I read most of my fiction so that would be impossible! So I guess you're not going to go down the E-reader route?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
I like a lot about E-readers, but I'd have a big problem if I got to a part I needed to underline and couldn't do it. I'm lost in the story in lots of books, but other books seem more about the ideas.
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[identity profile] gossymer.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
I feel so evil for wanting to choose SACRILIGE for each option XD Did mark books in highschool but that was it ^^
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
You are evil! I love polls; they are so wrong; I always want to choose the funnest option instead of the true one. I'll make more for people to flex their evil ticky box clicking muscle...

[identity profile] anthimaeria.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't mark in margins, but I love getting books from the library in which other readers have done so. Especially if their remarks are amusing.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I got this one book from the library in college in which someone had made a comment on the text, then someone had commented on the comment, and so on. There was this whole argument there with like five different people's handwriting.

That amused me terribly.

[identity profile] laliandra.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
This is weird because if you'd asked this the day before yesterday my answer would have been "only in books for school" and "ARG NO!" because I used to work in a library. And I would have had to dig out my school copy of Captain Corelli's Mandolin, a book that I loved, and loved even more with analysis.

HOWEVER, I have been marking things in The Demon's Lexicon as I go along, so I can 1. Write a coherent review of it and 2. send SRB some thoughts. Though most of my notes look like this "Oh Alan" "oh Crawfords" "Oh Boys" or "&hearts"s round metaphors. There are also big sections that I forgot to write on because of the suspense. It is all in pencil though. PEN IS SACRILEGE!

With library books for uni now I have a system of post it cut into strips, and then I write things like "govt. control of media" or "portrayal of King as a turkey" on them...
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
I love pen. Pencil rubs off and gets all smudgey. Can't wait to see your thoughts on DL.

Portrayal of the king as a turkey!!! Hee.

So, Capt Corelli's Mandolin, huh? I didn't like the movie, but now that I think about it I can't think why I thought I would...

[identity profile] laliandra.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
*tries not to wince at the thought of pen on books* I was caught young by literary types, it's not my fault! I did also develop Nerd Sonar in order to walk and read though, so it's not all bad...

I kid you not. Also, The Austrian army as Jugs and Louis XVI as a pig. Oh those crazy revolutionaries...

I am heartbroken that you saw the movie. Seriously. Just thinking bout it makes me feel slightly ill, but also quite stabby. Epecially towards Nicholas Cage. In the book, Capt Corelli is fun and musical and young and charming. Nicholas Cage is - NOT. And they almost totally cut my favourite character and changed the ending and generally utterly, utterly ruined a fabulous book.

It's a really good book. The descriptive writing is just gorgeous, there are lots of different and excellent POVs (and sections in letter form, which is one of my favourite things), and there are really cool patterns of imagery and illusions to other texts. Oh, and it's really funny. And there are great female characters as well. And interesting historical details.

Sorry, I just loved it to death!

[identity profile] ljgould.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Truthfully, I do think it's sacrilige to mark up books.

However, as an instructor, I know that if I want to remember to make a point about something in the text, I have to mark it so I remember. Also, if I am reviewing a book, I tend to make notes in the margin and mark passages that I want to quote in the review.

Still, I have to admit that I treat novels differently, and I did so even in school. I just have a hard time making myself mark up a novel.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
At first I thought it weird to mark up novels because they flow; they're not a bunch of separate pieces of info tied together for easier reading like textbooks are. But I find it helps.

I had some awesome professors who wrote all over their books; I always wanted to steal them!

Marginalia

(Anonymous) 2009-03-29 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, dear lord!
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Re: Marginalia

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
? I hope you're commenting on the ridiculousness of this post.

[identity profile] weird-cowgirl.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
(Just so you don't think I'm just a random person taking your poll: My mom is julia_here and when I am bored I read her friend's list, because she has a lot of interesting friends.)
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Hi there :o) Your mom rocks, btw.

[identity profile] diachrony.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Rather than commit sacrilege and defacement, I stock up on post-it notes, rip them in half, and stick them everywhere that has something I want to come back to or share or say something about, etc. Some books are absolutely littered with bits of post-its ...
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
I used to do that too! But I couldn't point to what I wanted enough. And my sticky notes made the books so fat the bindings broke and the books were desecrated anyway.

[identity profile] deathmask-revel.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
I can't even have books with cracked bindings, no way am I going to write in one.

For a couple of reasons:
Other than my OCD tendencies with books of the fiction variety...
Books are like art, to me. If I write something down it might color how I view that passage or novel forever; if I come back to read that book three or four years from now instead of having new insight and interest, I'll dwell on why I thought what I thought at the time of the note.

Apart from that, with the book as art...I wouldn't scribble all over someone else's paintings with my own interpretations, I suppose. I wouldn't try to guess at what the artist is trying to say, I'd rather focus on what the piece means privately to me at the time of my viewing.
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[identity profile] femmenerd.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
I don't write in novels! (Except Atonement.) I think this is because I don't usually write about novels.

But I write in scholarly books rampantly. Underlining, margin notes, lots of stars, circled stars, exclamation points, questions marks, etc.

Sort of related: I spent my entire day filing every loose photocopied essay in my possession, plus all of my own essays, notes, and syllabi for the last, er, nine years of higher education. Saw a lot of my own scrawl.
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[personal profile] rahirah 2009-03-30 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
I gave up writing longhand twenty-five years ago when the word processor came in, and never looked back. So even if I were inclined to take notes, I'd type them up separately rather than write them in the margins.

[identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com 2009-06-02 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Sacrilege! That's what loose leaf paper used as a bookmark is for! (besides, the paper in a lot of paperbacks does funny things with roller ball ink).