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I was hoping to spend my weekend researching this more, but today's the last day of my weekend and I know I won't get to it. So here are my dumb questions.
1) Those of you who do have Dreamwidth accounts already--it's because you were randomly selected in a drawing, right?
2) Do [those of you who have accounts] have invite codes?
3) What do I have to do to get an invite code from one of you?
4) Do any of you have the $200 "seed account"s?
5) Is a seed account the only way you can get an account that you never have to renew?
6) Can you get a seed account yet? Where? How?
7) What do you guys think about the seed account thing? Is it worth it?
8) If I get a paid account once the beta is over, will I get invite codes I can distribute to people?
9) On Dreamwidth, you can subscribe to people on lj and have their entries pop up on your viewing list, right? Do you have to create a subscription? For people to subscribe to my DW account, do they have to create a subscription? (The way I had to create a subscription for my ij on lj, so lj people could read my ij?)
10) If I got a different name on Dreamwidth, would you all hate me?
11) What do you guys think?
I'm still going to try to look into some of this stuff. Mostly I'm wondering what you guys think about your Dreamwidth account, and how to go about getting one myself.
ETA: if you're already over there, what's your username?
1) Those of you who do have Dreamwidth accounts already--it's because you were randomly selected in a drawing, right?
2) Do [those of you who have accounts] have invite codes?
3) What do I have to do to get an invite code from one of you?
4) Do any of you have the $200 "seed account"s?
5) Is a seed account the only way you can get an account that you never have to renew?
6) Can you get a seed account yet? Where? How?
7) What do you guys think about the seed account thing? Is it worth it?
8) If I get a paid account once the beta is over, will I get invite codes I can distribute to people?
9) On Dreamwidth, you can subscribe to people on lj and have their entries pop up on your viewing list, right? Do you have to create a subscription? For people to subscribe to my DW account, do they have to create a subscription? (The way I had to create a subscription for my ij on lj, so lj people could read my ij?)
10) If I got a different name on Dreamwidth, would you all hate me?
11) What do you guys think?
I'm still going to try to look into some of this stuff. Mostly I'm wondering what you guys think about your Dreamwidth account, and how to go about getting one myself.
ETA: if you're already over there, what's your username?
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2. No, but they give them out sometimes.
3. If I have one, I'll let you know :D
4. No.
5. I think so.
6. No. They open up, like all the accounts, once the open beta starts on 30th April.
7. I think even the creators said that they don't want people to buy the seed acounts if they're just trying the system out; they're asking a high price for the accounts specifically so the people are sure of wanting to take part in building the site. I considered the seed account, but decided that they're right, I'm fine with first seeing how it is before I decide if and how much I pay.
8. Don't know, I think so, maybe?
9. I don't think you have to create a subscription.
10. No.
11. I like it, but I'm hesitant before I commit completely, I'll see how much of my flist makes a move there...
Check this out: http://wiki.dwscoalition.org/notes/Why_Dreamwidth, it has some good posts and interesting points.
In going about getting an account, I suggest opening an OpedID account there and validating your e-mail, it does work (I got my account that way today :))
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Okay, so how do you do that? I was wondering how people were getting randomly selected, and I assumed they were just randomly going through lj people. But SO many people on my flist had gotten them that I assumed they were doing something to enter themselves in some kind of drawing.
But I can't figure out how to open an OpenID account. Whenever I go there it says you can't do it until after April 30.
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Take a moment to verify the e-mail address once you have that account, without that you won't take part in the lottery (and the lottery picked me four days after I set up the Open ID account, so it works fine :D)
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Thanks so much for all you info!
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Thanks for all the answers!
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2) Not yet; that seems to happen occasionally, but the best way seems to be through openid.
3) People who have codes sometimes keep lists of people they're giving them too. Again, signing up with Openid is probably your best bet at this point.
4) Those aren't available until April 30th.
5) Yes, that's the only way to get a permanent account, and I think they're only planning to sell them the once.
6) I *think* the plan is to start selling them on the 30th, but only a limited number of seed accounts are available (400? I think? That is on the site somewhere.)
7) I plan to get a paid account, but not a seed account. I don't want a permanent account since we don't know for sure what's going to happen, but I do know a lot of people want seed accounts. YMMV.
8) I think so, yes.
9) Right now you have to create a subscription, I think. It's my understanding that there will be a way to read your lj flist without subscriptions once DW is out of beta, but they don't have all the features available yet.
10) No
11) I like it. I don't know what's going to happen, and I'll end up wherever fandom ends up, but I think DW is a good idea and a good thing, and I'll be supporting it.
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I just hate having to renew payments on things. I'd rather give just one big chunk than to have to keep coming back. I do it with my bills and insurance and stuff too--the amount that covers the longest amount of time is the one I choose.
Thank you so much for all your answers!
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I think the thing with the seed accounts is a business decision - it's better to have recurring payments to run the site with, but yeah, like I said I think they said that there likely won't be more permanent account sales in the future, but don't quote me on that.
And now that I'm thinking about the subscriptions, I don't actually know. When people subscribe to my DW with their openid, I haven't been subscribing back because I'm already reading those people on LJ and it seems redundant - but maybe their LJ posts would show up on DW if I did? I have no idea, so don't quote me on that either. *g*
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Business decision makes sense; I was just thinking about the total amount of money involved, not the rate at which the money accumulates.
Maybe if you subscribe to someone's openid, they're lj entries will show up on your DW. Which would be cool! But it'd be even cooler if you could subscribe to them without them even having to make the openid. Then I wouldn't have to depend on anyone else to get whatever I wanted to read on DW. From what I understand they're working on this, but it's unclear whether they can or will do it.
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I'm saving money for grad school. So I have some saved up. But it's, uh, saved, so I don't want to use it unless it's money I would be spending anyway (i.e., if I think I'll be using Dreamwidth for the next 10 years). Who knows!
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But. I think some people really are moving to DW permanently. So it can't hurt to check it out a bit, at least, to see how it works differently as the service grows more and opens up more of its features. But you're already checking it out via OpenID, I see, so huzzah!
And again, I like it so far -- particularly right now, where there are lots of shiny new communities opening up, and random discoveries of people from smaller fandoms I'm not too active in but like lots, that sort of thing. It feels very ground-level right now, in a good way -- well, because it is! I would like it if some authors I don't know well (fandom and otherwise) get accounts there, and I could subscribe to them, but not feel compelled to grant them access on a friends-list level of personal posts.
Basically I'll read people wherever they are, at IJ, LJ, DW. My guess is people who are worried they won't be read if they stay at one or another place won't have to stress too much about that, because we're just all getting used to going to multiple services for our fixes.
I'm very keen on this idea that DW might somehow be able to fold in your LJ (and maybe IJ?) flists for reading in your circle -- consolidation would be cool! But if not, eh, I've got my little toolbar quick buttons for easy reading.
I'm actually thinking a seed account could be worth it. But I don't have the moolah right now, and from what I hear of the interest in them, they might sell out pretty fast. There will most likely be opportunities to get them in the future, though.
Also, HI! It's nice to see you post whenever/wherever. :D
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Yeah, I can see DW ending up a lot like IJ. But if I'm able to "fold in" my LJ flist, that would solve the problems I had with IJ. I mean, yeah, there weren't as many people there so I didn't have as many people reading my entries. But while that's sad, I assume if people are really interested, they'll come. The problem was people *I* was interested in weren't there, and I had to come here to read them, and I was over at LJ so often to read everyone else, it just seemed pointless to not be here. (I didn't adapt as well to having to go multiple places as you did :o)
But if I can still read and comment on people who stay here from elsewhere--then I'd totally stick with DW, I think. But I guess we have to wait and see whether they find a way.
I would like it if some authors I don't know well (fandom and otherwise) get accounts there, and I could subscribe to them, but not feel compelled to grant them access on a friends-list level of personal posts.
This is one of the main reasons I find DW so attractive (the separate lists, I mean). Though in my case, it'd be the subscription list that was really, uh, well weeded, whereas the grant-access list would be pretty open and laid back. I don't have that many personal posts, but I do have that incredible guilt of it I take someone off my flist, I feel like I'm saying I don't care about them, whereas really I can actually only manage to keep up with about 30 journals at a time, and which journals are in that 30 varies almost daily.
they might sell out pretty fast
Gah. I was just saying to Hannah that my anxiety regarding the seed things is probably misplaced, since I guessed they'd be on sale for a while. I just feel like if I really like it and want to stay with it, I'll regret not getting in on a ground floor way to keep the account forever without having to make payments every year. If I didn't have this animosity towards LJ, I'd get a permanent lj next time sales opened up--because despite all my bitterness towards this service, I'll probably have an lj all my life, if a better journaling service doesn't come along, you know?
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That totally makes sense to me. If there weren't HP people specifically who don't post on LJ or don't hang out much on LJ, I don't know if I would have developed a presence at IJ/a filter on IJ to read regularly.
Also, with IJ, I think Strikethrough happened, and many people felt unhappy, and IJ was sort of already there with its limited functionality, so it was a haven at the time (and continues to be for some).
But with DW, it's been developed with LJ users in mind, over time to take account of the things people do and don't like about LJ in terms of its capabilities as well as its policies. So the move there will work a bit differently, I think, even though some people still will just do name-squatting or post there only temporarily.
Oh no! I'd say don't be anxious about the seed accounts, because I think they really, really will offer them again. And, I don't know, if you go with the $20/year option for the regular level paid account, that's not too much money wasted if you get to buy a seed or permanent account, like, a year later?
Oh, I think I'll post at LJ forever! I have a permanent account here (it was a gift from an anonymous donor) so there's just no way I won't post here too. And it's here I have the most cultivated and mutal friends-list -- I know who everyone *is*, all the people who might read a locked post of mine. Though I've got friends on IJ, I don't have the same thing with my flist there, because I pretty much added back everyone, and then created a filter so I wouldn't be double-reading people cross-posting. Later that filter became more refined: HP people entirely, who post some sort of fandom-related stuff regularly. LJ is the place where, no matter what my fandom is or these other people's fandoms are, there are just certain groups of people I'll keep up with no matter where we're targeting our squee. And LJ just offered such a great and welcome platform for posting and reading and sharing fandom related stuff...I'm awfully attached to it, and I just can't forsee a time when I won't be, even if I'm cross-posting places and feeling like Semagic is my home more than a particular journalling service.
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2. I had some, but I've already given them away and have waiting list for the next lot I get.
3. I'm assuming you've got one by now. *g*
4. No, can't afford it, and they don't go on sale till the 30th anyway. I plan on getting a regular paid account.
5. I think they've said they're selling the seed accounts specifically for startup capital, and then never again. OTOH, 'never' is a long time, so who knows?
6. See 5.
7. It's kind of a leap of faith with any new service, but as I can't afford it anyway...
8. I believe so.
9. Subscribing to someone makes their public posts pop up automatically on your reading list. You don't need to do anything. If they give you access, then you can read their private posts, too.
10. No.
11. I think it's pretty nifty, and want to give it a shot.
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re: subscribing, I was talking specifically whether they'll be developing something where on DW, I can add an *LJ* person, without creating a feed, and also without them having to create an openid. Looks like they want to do it, but haven't developed a way to do it yet.
Thanks so much for your answers! I'm so lazy. I kept poking around and around DW and getting frustrated because I couldn't find specific answers to my questions and didn't feel like I had time to mess with it more. ...I was a pitiful case when I first started with lj, too. Janedavitt was like my knight in shining armor; she kept answering all my questions...
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2) I will after April 30th.
3) Bat your eyelashes.
4) Nope, they're not on sale yet, and anyway, I can't afford one.
5) I believe so.
6) At Open Beta launch, April 30th.
7) As a gesture of support, sure. As an investment, I'm not the person to ask; I don't even need all the features on my free LJ account.
8) Yes, as many as the DW servers can afford to give you.
9) On Dreamwidth, you can subscribe to people on lj and have their entries pop up on your viewing list, right? That's the plan. RSS feeds will be possible right away, but they're trying to invent something better. I think the current phrase commonly behind the scenes is, "And then magic will happen!" But I have utter faith in these people and the power of their geekness. For people to subscribe to my DW account, do they have to create a subscription? Yes, unless you implement the shiny, built-in feature that will let you crosspost automatically.
10) Nope, I know you're not fond of "tkp". Go for it. Maybe add a "formerly known as" to your profile page.
11) I'm all over it. But I'll spare you the essay.
ETA: I am stultiloquentia, still talking as foolishly as ever.
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The main reason I want a seed account has nothing to do with features and everything to do with not making regular payments. It's something I inherited from my dad, or something; we both minimize as much as possible the things we're paying out to on a regular basis. ...and somewhere in me I have a journal post about why that is.
"And then magic will happen!"
hahah. Well, looks like they have hope, anyway.
I know you're not fond of "tkp". Go for it.
You are/were in fact one of my models for coming up with a name. I wish I could find something quirky yet literary, like your name. But I have not run across anything, and those things I do come across just don't feel like me/feel contrived/aren't pretty. I have a strange concern with being pretty. I say strange, I think many people are concerned with being pretty, but I care about it in such an abstract way, I'm not even sure it's the same thing. ...And I could go on about that, too.
Anyway for now I feel like I've decided on a name (I might change my mind): dashwood, after some sisters I've read about...It's too bad it's taken on lj. I'd change it so they're the same if I could.
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Oh, yeah, I guess that's true!
not making regular payments.
Fair enough. Presumbly one can make large payments at a time, though I don't know how large. If it's something you're keen on, bring it to the attention of the owners. That's just the sort of feedback I think they'd find useful, actually.
I like dashwood quite a lot. Though if you're aiming for quirkily pretentious, may I refer you to The International House of Logorrhea.
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2) Nope D:
3) N/A
4) No
5) Yes
6) On the 30th, 400 seed accounts go on sale. After its over - that's it. No more seed/permanent accounts
7) I'm getting a seed account.
8) I think that's very likely, yes.
9) By the time things have been sorted at DW, the import will AUTOMATICALLY get all your friends over I think. No manual adding \o/
10) A new name that's a name name would be great :3
11) DW looks to be frickin' amazing.
Since I renamed years ago from gsd82 to gossymer, I'm very happy with the name - the only other one I'd considered was "goss" but unfortunately, it was already taken :(
i need a dreamwidth icon
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Thanks for asking these questions, by the way; saves me from having to.
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My username is . . . dun dun dun . . .
joy
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