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Is everybody and their mother rewatching BtVS from the beginning? Because about 4 different people have said they were, just recently. We should all do a MASSIVE REWATCH TOGETHER.

So, I was reading about

aea's freaky crush on the Rice Krispies guys, and it got me wondering, do you have any erstwhile freaky crushes from way back when? I'm not just talkin' Emilio Estevez (yes, I did, and yes, it's freaky. It was all about Mighty Ducks) I'm talkin' downright weird. Like how I was massively a Baloo/that-bear-woman shipper, from "Talespin," and how there was mental fanfic about that movie star cat lady getting between them. ~~Or like how I was in love with Goliath from Disney's Gargoyles.~~ Stricken because I am still in love with Goliath from Disney's Gargoyles. C'mon, fess up. Freaky crushes.

Reason #859 why I love fandom: because

rahirah's post about the size of Angel's schlong made

metafandom. Also, dude. Look at us, looking at our navels. We write navel!fic. We ship inny/outy, and write inny/outy porn, sometimes outy/outy porn and inny/inny porn, and sometimes navel fluff, which is nothing like navel lint, because that we pull out of ourselves with a kind of wonderous awe and say, "look! Look! Contrails of my navel!", and navel meta, and navel wars, and navel manips, and navel wank, which is like sticking your finger into your bellybutton and just digging a hole so deep we can see inside your insides and laugh and laugh at all the gooey stuff there, until we turn away in vomitting disgust, and the upchunk so hard we start laughing again, for lo, the same vile goo is in us as is in you! Oh, girls, except not you because you are a man but you're welcome too!, let us hold hands and bare our midriffs, except have nothing like that one creepy commercial 5 years ago where navels kept singing, "I'm Comin' Out," except we WILL be singing that, singing about our undying love for each other, and our midriffs, and our navels, and the size of Angel's schlong.

In other news, I love Buffy. Seriously, I adore that gal. She just--tingles me.

P.S., That AoQ guy I told you about just did a review for IWRY. And you know what, I've said over and over again that I'm just not the biggest fan of that ep, but I think I must be a liar, a total liar, never trust me again, because I'm thinking about it now, and how much I love me my B/A, and how I got to see them perfectly happy but Buffy never did, not really, and the AoQ LIKED it, which just I don't know, makes my navel feel really really full, almost throbbing, like I'm gonna cry, because everything (ok almost everything; he bashes Cordy too much. But the bit about SMG is sarcastic because he really likes her) he says is true, and he doesn't know that Doyle is going to die, and he doesn't know what a great show AtS is yet but he's going to, he's going to (/Yoda) and

l_aurens never will because she won't believe me about Connor, and--a-and he gave it an "Excellent," and what was I thinking, ever, it is excellent, because it's BUFFY AND ANGEL KISSING ON A TABLE, and then Doyle dies, and Buffy dies, and Buffy hates herself, and Angel has a son he loves but can't keep, JUST LIKE BUFFY, no Buffy doesn't have a son but you know what I mean, and even though Buffy gets to not be alone in the end it's still sad because she always will be alone, in a way, because that's who she is, and what about Angel in the end, what about Angel and Spike and Gunn and even Illyria, even Illyria damn her because I loved her, her and all of them.

Except Joyce.

/emo

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Now you have to tell me the story of how you got into fandom, because I am all curiousity. How have you not seen so much, and yet still rolick about with such abandon? Tell! Tell how the madness got hold. I love those stories.

While Goliath was hot, HE DIDN'T have any nipples. We need to face the fact the dude was a freak.

I do understand having a crush on Jareth, despite the unitards and sparklies. There was a point when I was reading Jareth/Sarah porn. However, I have to give it to you--your age when you fell in love was weird. I saw it when I was around 5 or 6, and I was FREAKED. It wasn't until my friend said she was in the fandom about 2 years ago that I got it again and realized he was kinda appealing in the Evil Guy way.

Oh cool! I always love contemplation of the Jossverse conception of soul. My navel wants to write a humor!fic on it one day. It's called Let's Get Metaphysical. Yeah I'm nuts.

One day, my navel will write an "I hate Joyce" rant, and explain just why I think she's a terrible mother, and awful character, and much much more! Stay tuned.

I can't actually remember when I got into Buffyverse fandom specifically, to my memory it just kind of happened. I'd already been fairly into Stargate: SG-1 fandom (not active, though: strictly as a lurker), as well as SGA and Firefly (not as much there; mostly because I think fic written in the first season or two isn't as good). So when I got into BtVS/AtS, I started looking for musicvids at basically the same time. I waited on fic for a little while, until I had a better grasp on the characters. As to how I navigate fandom without a map... It's like I've read the Cartoon Guide to Buffyverse (or Cliff Notes, choose your simile): I may not know exactly what happened, but I've figured out the major events, and I know the names and basic characteristics of the key guest players. I also know most of the central characters well enough that by knowing how they behaved at points A, C, F, and G, and what happened between those points, I can tell how they acted at points B, D and E (I'm starting on some bits in my Netflixing that were seriously assumption-only before, and I'm pleased to report that said assumptions are quite accurate so far). Also I'm quite vid-obsessed, and can generally place the clips in a vid to the ep they came from, so there's another puzzle piece fit in through body language and ultra-basic lip reading. What's really weird is when I know some tiny bit of trivia or detail from an episode I haven't seen, but a more well-watched fan can't remember even though it's from hi/her favorite ep. This has only happened a couple of times, but it has happened. ::boggles::

That went on a bit, didn't it?

Goliath wasn't a freak, he was just badly sculpted. These thing happen when someone is a piece of walking statuary (actually, I'd forgotten about the "no nipples" thing, but still. I felt the need to defend him).

To be honest, my Jareth obsession might not have transitioned into crush-type until I was a bit older, but I still stared googly-eyed at the screen (and continue to do so), so I figure it counts.
despite the unitards and sparklies
It's David Bowie. He has an unexplainable supernatural power to make himself look good in unitards and sparklies. Though at the time, I was way more interested in the magic tricks and tuning into an owl. I want to turn into an owl.

Yeah, I lurk around a lot of soul contemplations (including most of the ensuing comments), which is exactly why I never thought that I'd write one. Already been covered a thousand times, right? But then I realized that nobody seems to be aware that morality and ethics are not the same thing... And I'd better stop now, before I start rambling (or is it too late). I'll get the essay up soon.
"Let's Get Metaphysical" qualifies as something I'd read just because of the title. And it's okay to be nuts. So am I.

And please do write your rant about Joyce. I'd be really interested in reading more detailed reasons for dislike, especially as I'm rather fond of her. I can see where you might have problems with her parenting skills (certainly not Supermom, but she knows it and she tries) and as a character (she didn't have a real place on the show for a long time; the only reason she was created was that they couldn't write around Buffy's family the same way they did Willow and Xander's, then Joss decided he liked her), but my brain can't comprehend hatred of her as a person.

Heh. Well, what a strange and tangential intro to Buffyverse you've had! I was in the kind of limbo you describe for a few months, because I saw 6 eps but then didn't have access to the dvds. But I read a lot of fanfic, an appalling amount actually, even though I didn't know who a lot of the characters were. And from that I learned lots of things, most all of the big things. Then I finally began to get my hands on the dvds, and that was so much better. There were two really big things that happened that I didn't know about, one in Angel S4 and one in NFA. But other than that no big development really surprised me, which I think was a bit of a bummer actually.

Ha, well, you will always be able to better recall small details and specific lines than me. I always get so carried away by the story when I'm watching that things like the great lines don't stick out to me. Though I'm rewatching and during s2, I kinda took notes on small things I'd never noticed before.

Well, the show never quite got into how Gargoyles came to be, did it? It's unclear if they were creatures or statues first.

Who doesn't want to turn into an owl, that's the operative question.

But then I realized that nobody seems to be aware that morality and ethics are not the same thing...

It's so weird, I didn't know that until just about 6 months ago. I'm really appalled that I didn't know that.

My hatred of Joyce as a person springs from her bad mommy skills. The short version is I think she's selfish; she often considers herself before Buffy. That's one thing in a teenager like Cordelia, and completely another in a mother. But yeah, I'll do that rant one day, and explain myself more fully.

no big development really surprised me, which I think was a bit of a bummer actually.
I know what you mean. I consider myself quite fortunate to be more how- and why-focused than what-focused. Being spoiled for most major plot points has reduced the number of "Oh my God..." surprises (which are always fun), but not as much as you'd expect (part of this might just be good writing, where I get caught up in the episode and forget what's about to happen), because the things that surprise me, even spoiler-free, are the small (and not so small) character actions and reactions that happen around the big event. The best example is Doyle: it's common knowledge that he died in a heroic sacrifice to save a whole mess of victimized quasi-demons, but the real jaw-dropper, IMO, wasn't his death but the left hook he pasted Angel with immediately beforehand, which I hadn't heard about.

I always get so carried away by the story when I'm watching that things like the great lines don't stick out to me
This is basically a rephrasing of what I just said about spoilers, in that I'm more focused on the things that happen in and around the plot than on the plot itself. Unless it's a really suspenseful story ("Hush" for example), I don't tend to register the overarching coolness of the plot until the end credits roll. Also, I tend to watch most eps at least twice before sending them back. :)

Who doesn't want to turn into an owl, that's the operative question.
Point.

The short version is I think she's selfish; she often considers herself before Buffy
I love psychology. How two people can see the same event and perceive two very different things is something that fascinates me. I'll wait to elaborate until I have specific points to respond to, but I'm just not seeing the same things you're seeing. Well, we're seeing some of the same things, but somehow I doubt that your argument is based on Joyce Bogarting the Cheese Nips. :D

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