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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2010-08-24 09:37 pm

Are you there, science? It's me.

I’ve always wanted to know everything about everything, and I’ve always loved the way everything connects to everything else. Except science.



It always bothered me to say I didn’t like science. If I’m interested in everything, how come I can’t be interested in the most fundamental thing? Science is about what things are, what makes everything the way it is. How could I not be interested?

It occurs to me now that science posits, “reality is”, and maybe I had a problem with that. I am in some ways interested in everything because, “maybe reality isn’t”. Also, maybe it could be said science is reality; everything else is meta-reality, and for some reason the more levels removed from reality you get while still making sense, the more interested I become. It’s probably true of me that I like contemplating the universe more than the universe itself.

But it also bothered me to say I didn’t like science, because—well, it sounded to me like saying you like kids, which I’ve also found sort of ridiculous. Some kids are cool; some kids suck. Some science is nifty; some sucks. Maybe chemistry is awesome and biology blows.

But it’s possible to really just like kids, both cool kids and sucky kids. And I really just didn’t like science.

Then I fell in love. So, okay, I like science now. All of science, not just choice parts of biology. But what I’m interested in right now is why I didn’t like it, and why other people may not. Is it just me, or is this a hard subject to get into? Is it just me, or does it seem like kids will more likely be interested in anything else more than science (or possibly math)? And is it just me, or does it seem like the latter are more often girls?

It’s a gross stereotype. There are plenty of women doctors and astronauts and biologists. But I’m always hearing how tech schools are 90% guys. Companies ache for girl engineers to fulfill their quotas. From what I’ve heard labs are still predominantly male, and while female physicists exist, all the famous ones I know are men.

Is it male oppression? Women still can’t get these high paying jobs? These positions of authority? These careers which require higher thinking, since we all know women have tiny brains?

Is it just taking longer for these fields to open up to women?

Does it have to do with stereotypes of women not being technical-minded, of women being “artsy”, women focusing on “feeling more than fact”?

What do you think? Are you interested in science? Why or why not? What do you think about science? Women in science? The history of women in science, and whether it says anything about how far we’ve come as a society or not?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2010-08-26 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Women tend to understand the realm of feelings and men the realm of cold hard facts.

See, this was what I'm wondering about. Is this due to our brain chemistry, or is it due to over 5,000 years of women being told they need to take care of the children while men take care of cold hard facts like building houses and making sure there's enough food to eat? That could be a question of chicken and egg--perhaps the stereotype of women taking care of the kids happened not only due to childbirth, but women having evolved such that they're good at taking care of children (i.e. good with feelings).

[identity profile] bigmamag.livejournal.com 2010-08-26 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm definitely for the evolution answer. Natural selection encouraged the genes needed for hearth and home because men married (clubbed and drug to their cave?) the women who had these desirable traits and women picked men who could take care of the family and were the strongest of their tribes. Explanation, but not a reason for discrimination. I tend to be positive about gender roles and the social attitude, because fifty years ago divorce was taboo and a woman in the workplace let alone in power was ridiculous. That's why I kind of loved Star Trek, even though it had moments of gender fail, because of Uhura and because of a throwaway line in Tomorrow Is Yesterday when the captain Christopher was all "a woman?" when he saw a woman in uniform and Kirk is all "crewman." Of course we're even more PC now by using "crew member", but for 1967? It was pretty big for the future to shrug about women in the military.