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River/Connor smackdown!
Ok, not really, but wouldn't it be cool?
Probably you guys know this already because you're this freakish hive mind with super sonic powers, but I'm excited about it anyway. Even if you have already done your stinger waggling bee dances of buzz over it, or whatever. You bunch of weirdos.
A pilot for a show called The Sarah Connor Chronicles, or something else lame and long like that, has been filmed. It's about Sarah and John Connor, set after Terminator 2. Which I think might be among my top ten movies of all time. (Or at least the top ten movies containing Arnie; and a skinny emo-y boy with a squeaky voice who I always thought was actually quite good for the role but now actually also think is kinda pretty [to-my-everlasting-shame] and would love to see having boysex with Connor Connor [*cough* ros_fod who-won't-write-it]; and also containing Catherine with machine-guns-and-stuff instead of those frilly 80s dresses she used to wear for Ron Perlman.)
Anyway, so Sarah and John Connor on the run from terminators, one of whom is played by none other than that badly accented ballerina from Waiting In The Wings, otherwise known as River Tam, otherwise known as really really hot when she does her ballet-moves-of-murderous-intent. OR tries to kill you with her brain. Am I the only one doing the stinger waggling dance of GLEE over this? Anyone? Bee-friends? Summer Glau going "I'll be back" on your ass? The way she moves fulfills a need in me, the need for beauty I have in my life. Her ankles and the bend at her waist fulfill it. Also the flesh of cumcumbers, that's a fragment of beauty I could not live without. But what I'm saying is I want to see River Tam kill lots and lots of things. With her ankles. And the dimples at her shoulder-tips. The top part where the clavicle touches the scapula. That part.
I've seen the John Connor (Thomas Dekker) in several things but I really mourn the lack of Edward Furlong, even though he's strange and kind of fugly now and also got arrested for freeing lobsters (true story). I also mourn the lack of VK even though he never had anything to do with it in the first place. I also mourn the lack of Harry/Draco squee from the stinger waggling dances of my flist because I can't *help* it; I mourn my lack of sense-making regarding them.
The woman playing Sarah Connor is Lena Headey, who was the queen in 300. And Olga from Onegin, not that anyone watches Liv Tyler's lips and Ralph-Fiennes-in-a-corset over and over again except me. She was a great character in 300, but I don't see Sarah Connor in her. If I had to pick one actress on the market today to play that character it would be Katee Sackhoff. It's the blonde hair and the Starbuckyness of her, and also the fact that she is the hotest hot to ever hot since man invented the Equator. Which actually man didn't but work with me here.
As far as Mommy!Connor goes I mourn the loss of Catherine with machine-guns-n-stuff and also T-1!Sarah's rhinestones, and that other fic Fod will never write which is John Connor/Reese, which we all know has nothing to do with Sarah Connor other than that whole incest issue for which I also mourn the lack, because I am dirty sick and wrong, although I mourn no lack of that among the stinger wagglers because you have it in spades or combs or wharever in fact you keep it. In fact you all frighten me. Freaks. I love you so, so much. Thank you for feeling with me over my sad tale of robbery and loss. And with the chimp sex and horror horse stories? That is why I keep you around. In case you were wondering.
From what I can tell this show got picked up, but it's by Fox so I hope Englishmen come on horses and hunt it down if it is any kind of good and gets dropped. I wish, oh I wish, I had a laptop. I've decided that's why I am rambling here today. Now buzz away young friends and write me Buffy/Faith STAT.
Probably you guys know this already because you're this freakish hive mind with super sonic powers, but I'm excited about it anyway. Even if you have already done your stinger waggling bee dances of buzz over it, or whatever. You bunch of weirdos.
A pilot for a show called The Sarah Connor Chronicles, or something else lame and long like that, has been filmed. It's about Sarah and John Connor, set after Terminator 2. Which I think might be among my top ten movies of all time. (Or at least the top ten movies containing Arnie; and a skinny emo-y boy with a squeaky voice who I always thought was actually quite good for the role but now actually also think is kinda pretty [to-my-everlasting-shame] and would love to see having boysex with Connor Connor [*cough* ros_fod who-won't-write-it]; and also containing Catherine with machine-guns-and-stuff instead of those frilly 80s dresses she used to wear for Ron Perlman.)
Anyway, so Sarah and John Connor on the run from terminators, one of whom is played by none other than that badly accented ballerina from Waiting In The Wings, otherwise known as River Tam, otherwise known as really really hot when she does her ballet-moves-of-murderous-intent. OR tries to kill you with her brain. Am I the only one doing the stinger waggling dance of GLEE over this? Anyone? Bee-friends? Summer Glau going "I'll be back" on your ass? The way she moves fulfills a need in me, the need for beauty I have in my life. Her ankles and the bend at her waist fulfill it. Also the flesh of cumcumbers, that's a fragment of beauty I could not live without. But what I'm saying is I want to see River Tam kill lots and lots of things. With her ankles. And the dimples at her shoulder-tips. The top part where the clavicle touches the scapula. That part.
I've seen the John Connor (Thomas Dekker) in several things but I really mourn the lack of Edward Furlong, even though he's strange and kind of fugly now and also got arrested for freeing lobsters (true story). I also mourn the lack of VK even though he never had anything to do with it in the first place. I also mourn the lack of Harry/Draco squee from the stinger waggling dances of my flist because I can't *help* it; I mourn my lack of sense-making regarding them.
The woman playing Sarah Connor is Lena Headey, who was the queen in 300. And Olga from Onegin, not that anyone watches Liv Tyler's lips and Ralph-Fiennes-in-a-corset over and over again except me. She was a great character in 300, but I don't see Sarah Connor in her. If I had to pick one actress on the market today to play that character it would be Katee Sackhoff. It's the blonde hair and the Starbuckyness of her, and also the fact that she is the hotest hot to ever hot since man invented the Equator. Which actually man didn't but work with me here.
As far as Mommy!Connor goes I mourn the loss of Catherine with machine-guns-n-stuff and also T-1!Sarah's rhinestones, and that other fic Fod will never write which is John Connor/Reese, which we all know has nothing to do with Sarah Connor other than that whole incest issue for which I also mourn the lack, because I am dirty sick and wrong, although I mourn no lack of that among the stinger wagglers because you have it in spades or combs or wharever in fact you keep it. In fact you all frighten me. Freaks. I love you so, so much. Thank you for feeling with me over my sad tale of robbery and loss. And with the chimp sex and horror horse stories? That is why I keep you around. In case you were wondering.
From what I can tell this show got picked up, but it's by Fox so I hope Englishmen come on horses and hunt it down if it is any kind of good and gets dropped. I wish, oh I wish, I had a laptop. I've decided that's why I am rambling here today. Now buzz away young friends and write me Buffy/Faith STAT.
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That said, my rebuttal:
1. Plot. I'll give T2 credit for more twists, time devoted to them and reasons thereof, but a some events were borrowed from T1 - including blowing up Cyberdyne (I think Sarah's decision to do this and the argument with Reese about it got edited out of the final cut, but I saw it on the DVD and appear to have mentally added it back...), it's just that the Terminator caught them before they could do it.
2. Character. Here's where most of my contraryness lies. I felt the characters were more static in T2. They were well-developed characters - things happened and they reacted accordingly (Sarah began listening to John, John got more serious, etc.) - so I don't have any complaints, and T2!Arnie may be the source of my "amoral/villainous men who behave as/become heroes" fetish (though I'm not sure a T1!/T2! Arnie comparison is valid, as they're different characters; a T1!/T-1000 compare would be more accurate). However, T1 trumps with a) the development of minor characters - their lines were few, but they stood out without overshadowing the story - and the Big One b) the interaction between Kyle & Sarah, not necessarily the romance but the resulting swap of roles - Sarah went from being a 19-year-old girl so panicked that Kyle had to play drill sergeant to get her to save herself, to playing the sergeant role herself when Kyle had given up.
3. Theme. ...Okay, you win this one. By a lot. But for me (at least in movies), theme is like a soundtrack - a great one can make a film, a horrible one can break it, but anything else is just kind of there.
4. Script. I feel it's more of a difference in style than it is intelligence. In T1, the central dialog existed only to advance the plot, placing the burden of character work squarely on the shoulders of the actors, which could have turned out very badly... except Cameron hired an excellent cast who were able to turn it into something amazing. OTOH, T2 was quite dialog-heavy. We were told about things, plot developments, issues, and technobabble. Keyword being "told." I'm a great fan on monologues, but I don't subscribe to the "more is better" school of dialog (not saying that you do, just saying) - the convoluted T2 script had just as much opportunity to fall flat as T1 did (yay actors!). And I liked the "Come with me if you want to live" line... :P It occurs to me that the the parallel language from T1 to T2 is more like the kind you would see within a single work than the kind you'd see from prequel to sequel (lines increasing in impact due to their repetition, rather than seeming like retreads for amusement value), but since viewing T1 & T2 as two pieces of a single work would negate the need for further bickering... well, that would just be no fun. ;)
5. Costumes/effects/looks. The costumers on T2 did a good job choosing things that were unlikely to date the movie (uniforms, longstanding styles over more trendy fashions, etc.), though the early portions with John and his fosters make me wince just as much as the T1 '80sness. Effects... most of this is down to time, but yeah. The T-1000 kicked ass in so many ways, and one of them was effects, and the T1 effects/reality blend is quite rough by modern standards (the makeup effects were equally great in both films). But the look... T2 was very cool-looking, but it was also very smooth, very safe, and very easy to watch because the visual tone didn't seem like a place where the bad guys could win. T1 scared the crap out of me (in the good way); it was gritty and dark, and that moment at the end where Sarah sees the Terminator standing up out of the fireball still gives me chills.
Plus T1 has Lance Henrickson. ;)
You know, I'd never really taken the time to analyze why I like the Terminator movies. That was kind of fun. Though it may have been more coherent if I'd watched them more recently than a year ago...
(I need an "I <3 pointless arguments" icon. Because I really, really do. ::less-than-threes you::)
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1. Dvd extras so don't count! haha. But anyway, I never watched the extras on T1. On T2, however, I've watched everything. Even the version that's narrated for blind people.
2. T1!Arnie/T-1000 comparison is more accurate. But that just means T2 has a great number of compelling characters! I just think that the development of Sarah is far more compelling in T2 than T1. In T1 it is very straightforward, point A to point B, whereas I feel T2!Sarah encompasses that development and far more, besides.
3. This is probably why we have such different views. I think T2 has a *great* theme, and that it makes the movie. And T3 is broken because it's theme is so mangled and godawful.
Though I also disagree on the soundtrack point: Ladyhawk is a good movie, I think, and not broken, despite it's atrocious soundtrack.
4. I never thought about the script like that! That's a very insightful point. It's interesting, though, because I felt that T1 was kind of "no dialogue, no dialogue, info dump! No talking no talking info dump!" over and over again.
5. I had never thought about it this way either, that T2 was actually "safer". I don't know that I ever actually thought T1 could end badly, but T2 has a happier ending, definitely. Imo, anyway.
Yeah, Lance Henrickson! Who always reminds me of Aliens, and Reese was in Aliens as well, and Aliens, T2, and the Emperor Strikes Back are the only sequels that beat out the originals, imo.
<3 you right back! Thankis for the great discussion/pointless argument ;o)