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Shameful musical confessions
1. I love that song, Sexy Back, by Justin Timberlake. Almost as much as I love Draco Malfoy but it's even more confusing and twice as shameful. *hangs head; feels alone*
2. I didn't know All Along The Watchtower. And yet I <3 Dylan.
3. I recently got Loudon Wainwright and Warren Zevon mixed up.
4. I love that song, Careless Whispers. You know, the one they play in the dentist's office, the "I'm never gonna dance again / guilty feet have got no rhythm" one. George Micheal, I guess. The one redeeming thing about it is I love the Ben Fold's/Rufus Wainwright version, not so much the original.
5. I didn't know "Because" was by the Beatles.
6. I wanted to use a lyric from "Teach Your Children" for a title of dirtybadreallyreallyreallywrong pornfic.
7. I listened to Pop Goes My Heart on the way to work today and was loving it so much, I was constructing a Angel/Buffy, Angel/Cordy, Angel/Connor vid in my head. About Angel's heart going pop. Yeah. That.
8. In fact pretty much all I think about when I hear songs these days are, would that make a good vid? or: would that work in a character mix thing? I have a really great Irish sea chanty thing by Ween that so needs to be Liam's theme song.
9. I burned a cd for![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
seraphcelene, but I haven't sent it to her yet. Three months ago I also burned a cd for my s-i-l. I haven't sent it to her yet.
10. I lose at music! I really really lose. I never know what's going on. Unlessstoney321 put it on a Connor mix.
eta: 11. And yesterday, as I was shocked to discover, I don't even own a Sound of Music soundtrack. Huh?
2. I didn't know All Along The Watchtower. And yet I <3 Dylan.
3. I recently got Loudon Wainwright and Warren Zevon mixed up.
4. I love that song, Careless Whispers. You know, the one they play in the dentist's office, the "I'm never gonna dance again / guilty feet have got no rhythm" one. George Micheal, I guess. The one redeeming thing about it is I love the Ben Fold's/Rufus Wainwright version, not so much the original.
5. I didn't know "Because" was by the Beatles.
6. I wanted to use a lyric from "Teach Your Children" for a title of dirtybadreallyreallyreallywrong pornfic.
7. I listened to Pop Goes My Heart on the way to work today and was loving it so much, I was constructing a Angel/Buffy, Angel/Cordy, Angel/Connor vid in my head. About Angel's heart going pop. Yeah. That.
8. In fact pretty much all I think about when I hear songs these days are, would that make a good vid? or: would that work in a character mix thing? I have a really great Irish sea chanty thing by Ween that so needs to be Liam's theme song.
9. I burned a cd for
seraphcelene, but I haven't sent it to her yet. Three months ago I also burned a cd for my s-i-l. I haven't sent it to her yet.10. I lose at music! I really really lose. I never know what's going on. Unless
stoney321 put it on a Connor mix.eta: 11. And yesterday, as I was shocked to discover, I don't even own a Sound of Music soundtrack. Huh?
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But omg, if you'd burn me one that'd be *awesome*. I don't know which I'd like! The German one sounds cool! What do you think of the one you just got?
Movie clips?
I'm not sure what you mean...you sent me a tape once that had On Golden Pond and a couple other things on it, which I watched and loved very much!
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The German one IS cool. Actually, I should say the Austrian one. Oops. Well, it's in German. Anyway, maybe because it's the people I saw in Vienna. The Mother Abbess is the reason I fell in love with Climb Ev'ry Mountain and have since sought it out in as many versions as I could. I never really cared for it in the movie; it needs to be live and chills-on-your-arm-inducing. The one I just got is good. The woman who plays Maria was the winner of an American-Idol-esque show in Britain called "How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria" I think it's coming to the States, and I will watch it and probably will vote too. Crazy. Anyway, the woman is a different Maria. Her voice isn't nearly as strong as Julie's (but she sets the bar pretty much too high for anyone), but it's pretty, wispy, and you can feel her Maria-eqsue joie de vivre through her vocals. It's charming. But the Captain is a disappointment. Have a manly voice, dammit! (The Austrian Captain is the vocal equivalent of The Boots, btw). But the Mother Abbess, again, is the best part of the CD. That last note must be held for ten seconds. It's amazing.
Movie clips... Sorry! I wasn't very clear. I had made audio clips from the movie years ago and burned them onto CD. I got pretty much everything that isn't a song and is good (that doesn't require visuals). I shall burn them for you too :-)
I'm glad you liked OGP. They talked about strawberries!!!
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Awesome! Thank you so much!
I never really cared for it in the movie; it needs to be live and chills-on-your-arm-inducing.
I actually love it in the movie, but I know what you mean. It's a tad...long, kinda boring. But I love the song so, and am excited to hear this version!
"How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria"
Eee! I never heard of that! Is it kinda like the Idol-esque "Grease" thing they're doing now, where people try to be the characters from "Grease"?
she sets the bar pretty much too high for anyone
Yeah, comparing anyone to her is almost not fair!
you can feel her Maria-eqsue joie de vivre through her vocals
That does sound awesome!
I had made audio clips from the movie years ago and burned them onto CD.
I remember you talking about that a long while back! I had forgotten! That sounds awesome. I wonder if I can put them on my comp, so it says things like, "I'm sorry sir, but I don't know your signal" when I need to enter a password or something. Bahaha.
Thanks so much!
I'm glad you liked OGP. They talked about strawberries!!!
I know! That part reminded me of you.
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You're quite welcome!
I actually love it in the movie, but I know what you mean. It's a tad...long, kinda boring. But I love the song so, and am excited to hear this version!
I think that's why I never liked it. When I was little, I found it boring, and it was one of the few reactions that never changed as I grew older. But sometimes I watch it and absolutely love the lighting at the end (kind of Vermeer with the Rev. Mother's profile lit), and Maria's expressions throughout are gorgeous. After I heard the Austrian version and returned home, it became my mission to find as many renditions of the song as I could. It took a little while, but I found a few. I'll include them, so you can be climbed out :-)
Eee! I never heard of that! Is it kinda like the Idol-esque "Grease" thing they're doing now, where people try to be the characters from "Grease"?
It's just like the Idol-esque "Grease" thing they're doing now. Only it's just for Maria. I wonder if the American version will have both auditions for the Captain and Maria. That would be interesting. I've seen clips from the British show on YouTube, and the contestants wear Maria-esque dresses and sing all sorts of showtunes. I do hope it makes it to the States, because that means another version of TSoM will be on stage and hopefully, another cast recording! I'm obsessed! I love them!!!
Yeah, comparing anyone to her Julie is almost not fair!
Yes, it is unfair. Only Laura Michelle Kelly as London's Mary Poppins was up to snuff in my less-than-knowledgeable opinion. Although I think Maria is a tougher act to follow, since Julie seemed to encompass Maria so perfectly. Other actresses playing her always seem to be trying too hard to either be like her or to be not like her, if that makes any sense.
I remember you talking about that a long while back! I had forgotten! That sounds awesome. I wonder if I can put them on my comp, so it says things like, "I'm sorry sir, but I don't know your signal" when I need to enter a password or something. Bahaha.
Ohhhh, that would be awesome!!! Or Friedrich's less than emphatic "Oh hi" when you boot up. They've been saved as .mp3 files on my computer, but I bet you could convert them into .wav files and play around with them. The possibilities are endless!!!
Before I forget, I have the Jane Eyre Broadway cast recording. I can copy that too, if you'd like.
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Yes! I dunno, most stories where a big plot point is someone just "changing their mind", it doesn't feel like a turning point, it feels like plot and characters being wishy washy. But you can see Maria, I dunno, really soaking it up. Like she's really finding out who she is in those moments, not in a big startling epiphany way but a really calm, inner peace way. And so that scene feels like something really happened to me, even though nothing does.
I'll include them, so you can be climbed out :-)
Awesome! Thanks so much!
I do hope it makes it to the States, because that means another version of TSoM will be on stage and hopefully, another cast recording! I'm obsessed! I love them!!!
Hee! That's a reason I love you! I hope it comes to the US too! And try-outs for the Capt would be so awesome.
Other actresses playing her always seem to be trying too hard to either be like her or to be not like her, if that makes any sense.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. That seems to happen a lot with Hard Acts To Follow. I felt like Kiera Knightley's Elizabeth Bennet in the new Pride and Prejudice was like that, trying too hard not to be Jennifer Ehle's Lizzy.
Or Friedrich's less than emphatic "Oh hi" when you boot up.
bahahahaha!
Before I forget, I have the Jane Eyre Broadway cast recording. I can copy that too, if you'd like.
I actually own that. I bought it several months ago but I've been unable to get through the whole cd. Which is awful I know, but something about Jane and Rochester singing just sits wrong with me. I thought I was going to be able to get past that and into the story and so really enjoy it, but for the most part I just cringe. Oh well!
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Now I have to go and watch this scene again!I love that bit where Maria grabs the pole.... oh, that does sound all sorts of wrong. But she grabs the beam! The beam! She grabs the beam and her face transforms into a wistful, yet peaceful, image of beauty. It's fun to think about what happened after the song was over. Oh! Plot bunnies!
Hee! That's a reason I love you! I hope it comes to the US too! And try-outs for the Capt would be so awesome.
It would be interesting if they held auditions for the Captain, since any actor believably playing the Captain would be considerably older than any previous contestants for TV talent shows. It would be awesome for fans of the show/theater, but I wonder if it would ever sell.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. That seems to happen a lot with Hard Acts To Follow. I felt like Kiera Knightley's Elizabeth Bennet in the new Pride and Prejudice was like that, trying too hard not to be Jennifer Ehle's Lizzy.
oh good! I'm glad I made some sense. And I think (preparing to run), Kiera Knightley's completely different portreyal of Lizzie worked for me. But then, we've already had this conversation.
I actually own that. I bought it several months ago but I've been unable to get through the whole cd. Which is awful I know, but something about Jane and Rochester singing just sits wrong with me. I thought I was going to be able to get past that and into the story and so really enjoy it, but for the most part I just cringe. Oh well!
I was wondering what you thought of that recording. I know what you mean. Jane and Rochester don't seem like characters who would break into song. I think that's partly why many of the songs seem like inner monologues, rather than outward Maria-esque singing. Some of the songs work (Secret Soul is bittersweet), and others just drone on forever (Forgiveness... how old is that actress playing Helen?)
Anyway, the CDs are under way. Did you want the 1998 Broadway revival cast? Rebecca Luker makes a fine Maria, but they pronounce Kurt's name annoyingly different, and the Captain is wussy. The guy who played Rochester would have made a good Captain. Anyway, the CD is lovely - The Lonely Goatherd is in a different spot than any other production I could find, and I rather like it.
BTW, did you see the latest Jane Eyre? If so, what did you think?
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Yes! Exactly! Pole
dancing!grabbing! What's not lovely about that?It's fun to think about what happened after the song was over. Oh! Plot bunnies!
Ack! Yes! That would be an awesome moment for a ficlet. And it reminds me of Finding Peace, where the Mother Abbess must not've sang her the song, as she didn't decide to go back...
And I think (preparing to run), Kiera Knightley's completely different portreyal of Lizzie worked for me. But then, we've already had this conversation.
We did. KK's Lizzy cried too much. But she does improve on further acquaintance. And that Darcy is sex on a stick, while CF, though perfect for the role, doesn't do much for me in that sense.
I think that's partly why many of the songs seem like inner monologues,
Yeah, they really need to be, but it still doesn't work for me. The songs don't hit the emotions I associate with the story.
others just drone on forever (Forgiveness
OMG, yes. ugh.
Anyway, the CDs are under way.
Thanks so much!
Did you want the 1998 Broadway revival cast? Rebecca Luker makes a fine Maria, but they pronounce Kurt's name annoyingly different, and the Captain is wussy.
I dunno! I guess not. A wussy Capt is no good!
The guy who played Rochester would have made a good Captain.
I agree! He's not gruff and nasty enough to be Rochester imo, but he has enough of the broody hardness to be the Captain! *feels swoony*
The Lonely Goatherd is in a different spot than any other production I could find, and I rather like it.
I've been meaning to ask you this forever: have you heard that Gwen Stefani song that remixes Lonely Goatherd?! What's weirdest about it is that since i'm always going around singing it, my friend got the idea it should be remixed, and she was trying to convince the band she sort of works for that they should do it. And it's funny because they're a sort of techno electronica-y band, and though they didn't do it, they put the Lonely Goatherd in the background of their podcast. But then Stefani came out with hers! Weird.
BTW, did you see the latest Jane Eyre? If so, what did you think?
NO! I'm still confused about it. Like, I knew it was coming out, but I thought it was playing in England on the BBC first, and wouldn't be aired in the U.S. until later. So for a while I was checking, but then I forgot and never heard anything about it, until a couple weeks ago I was looking at some stuff on Amazon and it had "reccommendations" for me, and one of them was the new JE. So anyway, I'm buying it, even though I have no idea if I'll like it. I own three other versions of JE, anyway. I need to buy the Timothy Dalton one. Did you see the new one? and to repeat your question--if so, what did you think?
Thanks again for burning the cds!
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There's the marvelous bit of time between CEM and Maria's return. And then there's that dinner that Georg was much too quiet for. I think I wrote bits of stuff for that dinner. Like how Maria would say "cry a little" to Liesl and that dinner. Oh, man! What a scene that must have been :-D
We did. KK's Lizzy cried too much. But she does improve on further acquaintance. And that Darcy is sex on a stick, while CF, though perfect for the role, doesn't do much for me in that sense.
It's funny how adamant people are when it comes to which version of P&P they prefer. After I got over my "I won't see the new one" schtick, I rather liked it. Both have their pros and cons. The 2005 Darcy grew on me, although you brought up a great point about him: he was more shy that Firth's truly proud Darcy. I like the shy aspect of him. I think a friend of mine says she has a mini version of the Firth Darcy painting. Shit. Now I need to find one for myself. Mini Darcy to carry around. Woohoo!
The songs don't hit the emotions I associate with the story.
I hope I don't sound like I'm trying to convince you otherwise (because I agree that sometimes the songs just don't work). But the structure of the song "Painting Her Portrait" is interesting. It's almost Sondheim. Anyway, I wonder why Adele didn't get her own song. Of all characters to break into song, it would be her.
I dunno! I guess not. A wussy Capt is no good!
I'm copying it for you anyway. :-D It has some great other parts, like the children's harmony in The Sound of Music or the wacky soprano nuns going crazy at the end. Fortunately, the Captain doesn't sing too much.
I agree! He's not gruff and nasty enough to be Rochester imo, but he has enough of the broody hardness to be the Captain! *feels swoony*
You all right over there, Joy? ;-) I don't know why people cast wussy men as the Captain. I mean, did they not see the movie and know people would compare them to Christopher Plummer?
I've been meaning to ask you this forever: have you heard that Gwen Stefani song that remixes Lonely Goatherd?!
I haven't heard the entire song; just the yodeling bit. It was odd, but in a cool way. I love how she's a huge SoM fan and has no qualms about it. She's brought SoM fandom to a new level. I wonder if she's ever visited those boards (yikes!) That's cool about your friends' band having the idea to do that too. I guess there's something about it that adds some texture to these modern songs.
Did you see the new one? and to repeat your question--if so, what did you think?
I did see it, and I loved it. Of course, you're the big fan, and I've only seen the William Hurt version and the Orson Wells version. So, I didn't have much to compare it too. But I thought the girl playing Jane was perfect; quiet, smart, plain but then beautiful, strong. And Rochester, with his long hair and broodiness was sexy as hell. Some purists over at Pemberley thought it was all wrong, and they did play with some of the events a bit (ie the gypsy scene), the heart of the story is there, and it's gorgeously filmed. So, you can say I liked it, and I hope you do too!
I did catch a glimpse of the CH version on youtube. It was the scene where she leaves, and I was shocked! He was so violent with her! It turned me off completely. Although I should watch the whole thing, just to be fair.
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OMG. Awesome! Yeah, that should be written.
It's funny how adamant people are when it comes to which version of P&P they prefer.
I like both versions, the A&E one better it's true, but it's major drawback for me is it's so long.
he was more shy that Firth's truly proud Darcy. I like the shy aspect of him.
I think Austen's Mr. Darcy is shy, too, but way more in the way of CF's than the new one. Darcy's whole deal is he has trouble communicating easily, but as Lizzy points out, he doesn't take the trouble of practicing, which is a fault of pride. The new!Darcy does take the trouble, but just sucks at it, which I find far more forgivable, endearing, and attractive, because it's not his own fault so much as an aspect of his character, whereas with Austen and CF's Darcy it *is* his own fault. But that's the point of the story: Mr. Darcy has obvious flaws he must learn to fix and Lizzy must learn to forgive; where as the new P&P reduced Lizzy/Darcy's issues to just not ever getting to sit down and talk properly.
But the structure of the song "Painting Her Portrait" is interesting.
that's one I hated in particular. I don't know! There's just something wrong to me about Jane singing so prettily when she's telling herself how unattractive she is. Maybe it's supposed to be ironic? But Jane's whole deal in that scene is to remind herself how little and plain and unfascinating she is, and if she sang at all she would force herself to sing a very plain song very poorly just to remind herself that no one would ever want her!
Anyway, I wonder why Adele didn't get her own song. Of all characters to break into song, it would be her.
I think so too, but I'm glad she didn't. I think it emphasizes that the songs are more internal. Maybe?
I'm copying it for you anyway.
hee! Okay! Thank you!
I don't know why people cast wussy men as the Captain. I mean, did they not see the movie and know people would compare them to Christopher Plummer?
Ha, yeah. Plummer thought the Captain was a wussy part, too. And if he had played it the way it's been played by others, I wouldn't love SoM the way I do, despite Julie Andrews and all the rest. It *would* have been just the puddle of sap CP kept saying it was, imo. But he really made it something different. You wouldn't think, though, that someone who stands up to the Nazis the way the Captain did would look on paper like a weak character!
I love how she's a huge SoM fan and has no qualms about it.
Oh, I didn't know that!
the gypsy scene
That scene is a crap scene in the book, anyway. It's just Bronte needing to be Byronic. And have someone cross-dress.
I did catch a glimpse of the CH version on youtube. It was the scene where she leaves, and I was shocked! He was so violent with her! It turned me off completely. Although I should watch the whole thing, just to be fair.
He is very violent with her and it turns a *lot* of people off. And that version isn't "accurate" at all. Nor does it capture the entire spirit of the book--and I've probably said this before, but imo, no one version does. But in including the violence the CH version does hold true to the spirit of one important thing that the others don't--that Rochester is not really a good man, and someone you probably shouldn't feel sorry for.
In the other versions, in that leaving scene, Rochester is all sad and broody and begging, and I feel as a viewer as if I'm expected to feel sorry for him. Hello, he just tried to trick Jane into BIGAMY. He *knows* he's scum. Don't play the innocent victim who thinks he deserves love! I'd much rather him be angry.
A while ago this girl wrote out a really short, funny tv interview of Mr. Rochester, Heathcliffe, and Mr. Darcy all together. It was hilarious and kinda sad.
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I guess, given this analysis, that the 2005 version really isn't about "Darcy's" Pride and Prejudice, or even Lizzie's. It was more Shy and Prejudice. What I gathered from Austen's and CF's Darcy was that he really didn't fix his proud flaws. He still didn't care for her parents, and even though he paid for Wickham's misdeeds, he did it all for Lizzie because he loved her. He also did it to right a wrong he thinks is his fault (which it wasn't), but I wonder if he would have done so if Lydia was anyone else's sister besides Lizzie's.
that's one I hated in particular. I don't know! There's just something wrong to me about Jane singing so prettily when she's telling herself how unattractive she is.
Whoah. We shall agree to disagree :-) I didn't find her singing pretty in that song. Well, her voice is very pretty, but the song is dreary, frantic, has some flats/sharps, etc. Mind you, I have absolutely no clue about anythign musical, but I know, compared to Secret Soul or even Brave Enough for Love, it's a depressing song.
I think so too, but I'm glad she didn't. I think it emphasizes that the songs are more internal. Maybe?
I'm glad she didn't get one either. Her use was simply to get Jane into that house, so once that was done, she kind of fell to the side.
He is very violent with her and it turns a *lot* of people off...In the other versions, in that leaving scene, Rochester is all sad and broody and begging, and I feel as a viewer as if I'm expected to feel sorry for him. Hello, he just tried to trick Jane into BIGAMY. He *knows* he's scum. Don't play the innocent victim who thinks he deserves love! I'd much rather him be angry.
Angry is one reaction, and I think people (like me) didn't care for it because it's not a positive reaction. He's hardly the innocent victim, but I always saw the "woe is me" reaction as, "my life sucks, I'm scum, and I hate myself" more than "It's not my fault." Even though what he did was wrong, it's kind of hard to blame him for wanting some happiness. Although it would have surfaced anyway, and it was best that it happened when it did. It's been ages since I read the book, but I wonder if it's more of Rochester getting a shitty deal in life and having to deal with it or if he's a bad man. Period. I've heard that the Timothy Dalton version is the best adaptation of the story by some Pemberleans, but to each their own.
BTW, did you get the 2006 version yet?
Ha, yeah. Plummer thought the Captain was a wussy part, too. It *would* have been just the puddle of sap CP kept saying it was, imo. But he really made it something different. You wouldn't think, though, that someone who stands up to the Nazis the way the Captain did would look on paper like a weak character!
He does add the needed weight to that story. In the musical, Georg is slightly tempted to comand a submarine again, where CP's Captain doesn't even consider it (at least on screen). The real Georg was tempted to be at sea again, but his disdain for the Nazis overpowered that. In the play, he really is more of a background figure. It's Maria who comes up with the idea of singing in the concert, and it's Maria who decides to go over the mountains. While I wish the movie Maria had a bit more to say more in those final decisions, I'm glad they changed it to have the Captain be more of a leader and would believably stand up to the Nazis (holding guns) with his family standing right there. And CP (despite his attitude toward the kids) was a loving father in his post-arguement scenes.
A while ago this girl wrote out a really short, funny tv interview of Mr. Rochester, Heathcliffe, and Mr. Darcy all together. It was hilarious and kinda sad
There's a crowd. It sounds like it would be sad. I read a ficlette with all of Austen's heroes at a table pining for their ladies. Very cool.
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I wonder the same.
her voice is very pretty,
That is a big part of what I meant.
but the song is dreary, frantic, has some flats/sharps, etc.
But it's not ugly. I dunno. The mood is right but the reality of it isn't. Which is again, me just being stubborn about Jane bursting into song.
I wonder if it's more of Rochester getting a shitty deal in life and having to deal with it or if he's a bad man. Period.
I don't think Rochester's a bad man and I think he got an extremely shitty deal. He could've been a better man (no way Mr. Darcy would do the things he did), but his actions toward Jane and even his wife were not intentionally malicious. Anyway, I've just realized that the point I was trying to make has to deal with my own personal kink: I like to see self-hatred expressed as anger towards other people, and often violence (in fiction! only!). It reads to me as a way to *force* other people away. The "woe is me" often reads (imo) as "pity me", even when the one-in-woe doesn't actually think they deserve pity. Of course, the CH Rochester is not trying to *force* Jane away with violence, but rather force her to stay, which I find far less appealing. But the violence and intensity and unkindness still manage to swing that kink of mine into operation, I guess.
I've heard that the Timothy Dalton version is the best adaptation of the story by some Pemberleans, but to each their own.
It's the most accurate and faitheful to the text. It is not, imo, the most faithful to the spirit.
where CP's Captain doesn't even consider it
I much prefer it that way.
It's Maria who comes up with the idea of singing in the concert, and it's Maria who decides to go over the mountains. While I wish the movie Maria had a bit more to say more in those final decisions, I'm glad they changed it to have the Captain be more of a leader
Huh! I think they'd have to change the movie significantly for Maria to be more of a mover and shaker in the ending scenes. She's not very political. I mean, yeah, I'd like her to have a voice, even her being the leader would be cool, but the way the movie stands it doesn't make sense for her character. Imo. I know real-life-Maria was a very different person. Though they're both really strong women.
I read a ficlette with all of Austen's heroes at a table pining for their ladies.
That does sound cool! Remember where you read it?
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Yes, it isn't ugly. I can't think of many musicals that are ugly. Maybe Sweeny Todd, but that was scary. And you have every right to be stubborn about such things! Apparently, many agreed with you, because the show didn't last very long. :-) And while I'm thinking of it, I noticed the odd lyrics that the characters were singing. I'm not familiar enough with the book to know, but it seemed like they were singing lines of dialog from the book itself. That never works. Nor does it work in reverse. In the PotP movie, Christine spoke the "twisted every way..." lines which simply did not work for me. Ewan McGregor (sp) said it best about that. There's a simplicity to lyrics that wouldn't work if spoken, but works when sung. It's the same way for lines from books. Sometimes, they shouldn't be sung.
Man, it sounds like (a) I'm a total snob and (b) I didn't like the musical. I don't know about the first one (heehee), but I did enjoy it. It makes for good music montages on Youtube.
I like to see self-hatred expressed as anger towards other people, and often violence (in fiction! only!). It reads to me as a way to *force* other people away.
Ah, I gotcha. Violence is very passionate, too. It's active, verses passive (which is that woe-is-me angle). And it works for stories like this. I wonder if he had torn a room apart in a rage, people would have received it better. Wait, did he? I only saw that clip where he was shaking her as she was leaving.
It's the most accurate and faitheful to the text. It is not, imo, the most faithful to the spirit.
I don't think I asked you this, and I'm sorry if I did... but which one captures the spirit the best? none of them might completely, I know, but does one come closest?
I much prefer it that way.
Yeah, it's much better with no doubt in his mind. Although it would have been cool to see that admiral inside the house, like in the play. And it would have been cool if he said something to Maria... oh, wait... that's my sick sense of coolness shining through ;-)
Huh! I think they'd have to change the movie significantly for Maria to be more of a mover and shaker in the ending scenes. She's not very political. I mean, yeah, I'd like her to have a voice, even her being the leader would be cool, but the way the movie stands it doesn't make sense for her character.
I remember reading somewhere, somewhen that Maria was originally scripted to have a few political thoughts dashed here and there. Not much. I think she would have said something in a group, caught the Captain's attention, and establish that they share the same views and love of Austria. It was part of the reason I had the politics in My Mind and Soul. But the movie Maria is strong and stands by Georg. It's understood that she agrees with him. There's no question that his decision to leave everything they know that very night is a good or bad one.
The only scene I think could have been re-done without changing too much would be the decision to climb over the mountains. It wouldn't have been much, and I wouldn't want Maria's maternal concern to be axed. But when the Rev. Mother says the borders have been closed, I would have loved to see Georg and Maria look at each other and mutually decide to start climbing. But I don't hate the scene or anything. It is what it is.
Shoot. Now I'm thinking of what Maria would have been thinking/fearing/dreading while Georg was walking towards Rolf. I think that would be the part where I'd be the most frightened. Not running, not hiding, but waiting... Oh, plot bunnies!!!!
That does sound cool! Remember where you read it?
That writers' guild website that's so hard to navigate. When I get more moments, I'll try to hunt it down.
BTW, I mailed your CDs yesterday. Hippity Hoppity!