I give up.

[lettered]

Hahaha I bet you thought you'd be getting porn.

So I've been trying to write this whole post about Super Hero Ethics and the problems I have with TDK. There were things I really loved that they brought into it, but the way they handled some of those concepts was disturbing to me. Not on the level it was meant to be disturbing, but on the level of: "I do not think that means what you think it means!" But after seeing it a second time, and complaining about it AGAIN to my_daroga, I feel better about it. She is, after all, usually right. I do not think they handled these issues as badly as I keep making out like they did.

But anyway, I'm not posting about that. I'm also not posting about the fact that the movie was so crowded with themes and the characters so stuffed with symbolism that it felt less like a story with people than an allegory with concepts. Which is nice, for a change, but for something to be really brilliant I like it when they manage to be both.

But this post isn't about that! It's about how in my head, there's so much going on here that I want to explore. The movie was great, but it has it's faults, and those faults make me want to get my teeth on it that much more. Sort of like Harry Potter, how JKR is disturbingly unsympathetic to villains for whom grounds for compassion is all so neatly erected. Or like how I love Phantom of the Opera most in my head--I like the musical; I like the book; I even like that Kay thing to an extent, but the Version That Lives is the Phantom Of The Opera that's there, inside my mind. (See how I did that? With the lyrics?)

But this post isn't about that! It's about the porn.

Okay, not just porn. Fic. I want movie-verse Batman fic. And while I've always loved Batman what I'm really interested in (right now! Right now! I'm open! Wide open, like your mom James Marsters a green field with Captain Jack in it. Only, later.) right now is movie-verse. It's only been out a week and a half but it has to have been done. Come on. I'm counting on you guys.

So anything that you might have stumbled across. Since there can't be that much right now, I truly do mean anything even if it wasn't that great or you haven't read it. ETA: Er. Nevermind. Only rec if you know of something GOOD. Turns out there's LOADS. This fandom is scary, y'all. Especially these emo fangirls who're all like, "OMG, stupid NOOBZ!!!!1 No one knows anything about Batman except me!!!!1 Didn't you know there was like, a cartoon?!?!!!?!" /ETA

Also, does anyone know of any comms, especially daily news letters, that link to Batman!new!movieverse?

Also, there needs to be:

Batman(Bruce Wayne)/Joker
Batman(Bruce Wayne)/Harvey Dent (Two Face)
Bruce Wayne/Rachel
Bruce Wayne/Harvey Dent/Rachel
Batman(Bruce Wayne)/Harvey Dent (Two Face)/[Rachel as absent third]
Harvey Dent (Two Face)/Joker
Gordon/Batman(Bruce Wayne)
Gordon/Harvey Dent (Two Face)
Alfred/Batman(Bruce Wayne) [unrequited]
Alfred/Lucius Fox/[Batman(Bruce Wayne) as absent third]
Jim Gordon/Sirius Black
HOLTZ/everyone

Any help would be appreciated.

Comments

[my_daroga]

I'm pinning this post, in case people come up with something. I'm interested, too.

Here's my thing: All Superheroes are Fascistic In Some Way. I think that's a basic tenet of their morality. With great power comes great responsibility, yes, but no matter how responsible you are you're a superhuman, superpowerful being and there are going to be issues inherent in any presentation of that. The fact that TDK addresses them--even if it's only to remind us that Batman is still a hero even if we can't call him that--is an advance over just letting it sit there and showing no sign at all that anyone finds this problematic.

[tkp.livejournal.com]

Hehehehe. Awesomesauce.

is an advance over just letting it sit there and showing no sign at all that anyone finds this problematic.

Yes. As I've said, it's better than what we've been getting.

You're probably talking about superheroes as a genre, and so wouldn't say these fall into that, but personally, the main reason I love BtVS and AtS so much is I think they do address a lot of those issues. As you've said, BtVS could've done way more especially after what was revealed with Spike, but a lot of issues I have with superhero morality/ethics do get addressed.