I give up.

[lettered]

Hahaha I bet you thought you'd be getting porn.

So I've been trying to write this whole post about Super Hero Ethics and the problems I have with TDK. There were things I really loved that they brought into it, but the way they handled some of those concepts was disturbing to me. Not on the level it was meant to be disturbing, but on the level of: "I do not think that means what you think it means!" But after seeing it a second time, and complaining about it AGAIN to my_daroga, I feel better about it. She is, after all, usually right. I do not think they handled these issues as badly as I keep making out like they did.

But anyway, I'm not posting about that. I'm also not posting about the fact that the movie was so crowded with themes and the characters so stuffed with symbolism that it felt less like a story with people than an allegory with concepts. Which is nice, for a change, but for something to be really brilliant I like it when they manage to be both.

But this post isn't about that! It's about how in my head, there's so much going on here that I want to explore. The movie was great, but it has it's faults, and those faults make me want to get my teeth on it that much more. Sort of like Harry Potter, how JKR is disturbingly unsympathetic to villains for whom grounds for compassion is all so neatly erected. Or like how I love Phantom of the Opera most in my head--I like the musical; I like the book; I even like that Kay thing to an extent, but the Version That Lives is the Phantom Of The Opera that's there, inside my mind. (See how I did that? With the lyrics?)

But this post isn't about that! It's about the porn.

Okay, not just porn. Fic. I want movie-verse Batman fic. And while I've always loved Batman what I'm really interested in (right now! Right now! I'm open! Wide open, like your mom James Marsters a green field with Captain Jack in it. Only, later.) right now is movie-verse. It's only been out a week and a half but it has to have been done. Come on. I'm counting on you guys.

So anything that you might have stumbled across. Since there can't be that much right now, I truly do mean anything even if it wasn't that great or you haven't read it. ETA: Er. Nevermind. Only rec if you know of something GOOD. Turns out there's LOADS. This fandom is scary, y'all. Especially these emo fangirls who're all like, "OMG, stupid NOOBZ!!!!1 No one knows anything about Batman except me!!!!1 Didn't you know there was like, a cartoon?!?!!!?!" /ETA

Also, does anyone know of any comms, especially daily news letters, that link to Batman!new!movieverse?

Also, there needs to be:

Batman(Bruce Wayne)/Joker
Batman(Bruce Wayne)/Harvey Dent (Two Face)
Bruce Wayne/Rachel
Bruce Wayne/Harvey Dent/Rachel
Batman(Bruce Wayne)/Harvey Dent (Two Face)/[Rachel as absent third]
Harvey Dent (Two Face)/Joker
Gordon/Batman(Bruce Wayne)
Gordon/Harvey Dent (Two Face)
Alfred/Batman(Bruce Wayne) [unrequited]
Alfred/Lucius Fox/[Batman(Bruce Wayne) as absent third]
Jim Gordon/Sirius Black
HOLTZ/everyone

Any help would be appreciated.

Comments

[maraudersaffair.livejournal.com]

I can't deny that during those scenes when Batman was interrogating the Joker I was only thinking about hot porn fic.

Sorry about that. xD

[globalfruitbat.livejournal.com]

cidercupcakes wrote an awesome girl!joker/girl!batman fic, if you're interested in that...

heehee

[imnotacommittee.livejournal.com]

Jim Gordon/Sirius Black

When you think about that pairing, Gordon isn't really cheating on his wife, is he?

[my_daroga]

I'm pinning this post, in case people come up with something. I'm interested, too.

Here's my thing: All Superheroes are Fascistic In Some Way. I think that's a basic tenet of their morality. With great power comes great responsibility, yes, but no matter how responsible you are you're a superhuman, superpowerful being and there are going to be issues inherent in any presentation of that. The fact that TDK addresses them--even if it's only to remind us that Batman is still a hero even if we can't call him that--is an advance over just letting it sit there and showing no sign at all that anyone finds this problematic.

[romanyg.livejournal.com]

First off: HI! HI!

I'm behind in my own comments so this is a comment of STEALTH! And skewed priorities. *g*

I haven't seen TDK yet, but I'm spoiled, so that's okay. Also, this means that this response is relatively useless. I haven't been reading much Nolan!verse fic lately (because I'm one of those crazy Bruce/Clark people, and in Nolan!verse there ain't no such animal) so I can't rec any. As far as the comms, I see that you're already watching gotham_times, which is probably your best bet in terms of newsletters. comicstore_news also lists Nolan!verse fic but I'm sure that it pretty much overlaps with what you'll find in GT. You probably also have checked out batfic, batman_slash, and darkknightfic. I have nothing new for you! *sadness*

I'm excited that you're excited though. I hope you find something that gives you that AHA, YES!

[semby.livejournal.com]

I'm not so much into the whole Batman fic scene, but I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts on why you were disturbed by the way they handled some concepts, even if you're over it now, if you don't mind and are in the mood to share.

[nixve.livejournal.com]

*waves*
hey you, I was wondering what you are up to next weekend (not today-weekend but next weekend). I will likely be down in Seattle then, want to get together and do something?

[my_daroga]

I think that's the character's argument. I think that's the way he feels--that he's doing what he has to even if it isn't moral.

The impression I got from the movie, however, is that that's the right thing to do.

I just want to reiterate, after reading the above conversation, that I think this is true of superheros in general and I wonder if you are bothered by other versions of Batman or of other comic characters?