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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2007-07-22 10:32 pm

HP fic type thing, with spoilers

Apparently, I've committed fic? For Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows?

Everyone keeps saying how trite and sappy and lame the epilogue is. As I've mentioned, I find it CREEPY. Here is why.

Short, with focus on the epilogue. SPOILERS.


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Ouroboros

You walk through King’s Cross to see Albus off to Hogwarts for the first time, and your head is crowded with paternal thoughts of loss. You can’t believe you’re here again, how it seems the time has flown. Then through a puff of steam you hazily see your son, and think how he could be you.

Then you wonder how long boys with the same unruly black hair, with the same pale faces, same glasses and same smiles, everything the same, have been boarding this train. Maybe your father looked like his own father, who looked like his own father, and back and back and back. The pattern is comfortably worn, and there is a sense of right to it.

History repeats. Time moves in circles. All is well.

Your own trips to King’s Cross were lonely, once Vernon sent you off and before you met up your friends. Your own son won’t be alone. He will have a red-haired mother and spectacled father; they will wave good bye, just as your mother and father would have done had they could.

There is a sense of right to this thought, too. History repeats, but never quite the same way. You are not your father. Nor is Albus you (as far as you can tell). There might be similarities, but you are your own people. You can make the future different; you can choose.

You are moving forward. The world is going on. All is well.

Everything fits. The shiny lines of Hogwarts track stretch straight out before you; the engine will chug into the future, into the unknown. And predictably, reliably, the engine will return. You remember another King’s Cross, imposed on this. The station had been clean then, so clear, lit with the white of steam, of certainty and uncertainty, of endless cycles of departures and return. In your mind, but real, Dumbledore had said. It makes a sort of sense. Everything fits.

Then all the pieces shift, following the incline of Draco Malfoy’s head.

Once that angle of acknowledgement had been far broader; it had encompassed so much more. He’d held out his hand to you on the train, out at ninety degrees. Across, even, drawing a straight line, as if you were equal. But you’d known him for what he was, even then. He was spoiled, self important, unkind. You had already decided. You had been told where all the bad ones came from.

(“I won’t! I won’t be in Slytherin!”)

History repeats. Time moves in circles.

Siblings argue on the platform. One red-haired, one blonde. The blonde secretly longs to be different, separated from all the normal people she knows, but she can’t. Her sister can, and that makes her a freak.

Another argument between two more siblings, one with black hair, one with red, is of course entirely different. The dark-haired one secretly longs to be not different, but the same. He longs to be the boy with the same unruly black hair, with the same pale face, same glasses and same smile, everything the same, boarding this train. And of course your son is only taunting his brother—saying that he won’t be like them; it is only jest.

(“I only said he might be. There’s nothing wrong with that. He might be in Slyth—”)

The red-haired sister, the freak, steps on board as so many have done before her. There’s a boy there with her, and he holds his heart out to her on the train, just as another boy has held out his hand. He extends it at a right angle, so that if she reached back, their heartstrings would measure level, as if they could ever be the same.

And look, everything fits: here with them is a boy with the same unruly black hair, the same pale face, the same glasses and same smile. This boy wouldn’t want to be any different than those other boys, with the same unruly black hair, the same pale faces, who’ve come before. If he was any different, he says, he’d leave—wouldn’t you? This boy, too, has already decided. He’s been told where all the bad ones come from.

(“So that’s little Scorpius. Make sure you beat him in every test, Rosie.”)

History repeats. Time moves in circles.

Yet another boy, but this one holds out nothing. Instead, he takes. They know that; they can see it; they find out. The professor had looked down into this boy's box of stolen property and seen it all, everything, except the heart thrust too far down to offer as you’ve seen others offer theirs. That was why the professor threatened this one; that was why this boy never even learned he might have instead been welcomed. That was why he never knew that to take someone’s hand, he would not have to lower his own. He never suspected that anyone could be his equal, or the same. He’s already decided, where all the bad ones come from: the Mudbloods and the scum.

(“Don’t get too friendly with him, though, Rosie. Granddad Weasley would never forgive you if you married a pureblood.”)

History repeats. Time . . .

Here’s another boy, and another blond. It’s not at a station but it’s at the start of summer, as certain and sure as the return of the Hogwarts train. This blond is merry, laughing, clever, powerful, and this time, the boy accepts the blond's hand. A friendship is struck.

Five years later our boy is prising a wand from those same fingers of that same blond. Fifty years after that, someone is taking that same wand from his own hand, and it’s another blond boy.

The wand that next came to you.

. . . moves in circles.

You could be him, you know, the man who wielded that wand for those fifty years. Your son could be him, too; he even shares the name. Your son also has a brother and a baby sister, not at Hogwarts yet. When you suddenly realize this, you don’t actually know what you’d do if three Muggles laid a hand on your daughter, did what they did to that other one so long ago. You do not know if you would go to Azkaban; you do not know what you daughter would do, either, if that happened. You don’t know whether she would lose control, kill your wife, whether either one of the brothers could kill the sister, or whether it would be—

—why, it could just as easily be that blond boy over there, arguing with your sons, all of them fighting and spitting and throwing curses about, until the sister gets caught somehow in the cross-fire. It could be that blond boy with his father, who looks exactly like him.

History . . .

You go in your different directions, but you always end up here, back at the station, the place of endless departure and return. Only in the places where the tracks cross, the lines meet, the threads tie, only here can you all exist for each other. Here in these intersecting moments, you make each other who you are; you make each other real.

Draco Malfoy only exists for you in a train station, autumn to autumn, Christmas to Christmas. Gindelwald only rises when Dumbledore shakes his hand; Tom Riddle only succeeds because there’s no one here to meet him; Severus Snape’s driving force in life was Lily Potter’s eyes, and Rosie will smugly outshine Scorpius just because her father told her to.

For a moment you see the future folding out before your eyes, as the past has just done, and you see the two are mirrors. They are the same. And even if the scar has not hurt you for nineteen years, fear, blatant and sudden, seizes you. It makes you crouch down, so that your son’s face is slightly above your own, so you can whisper away your fears like a dirty secret.

History repeats, but never quite the same way. Things can be different this time. Mistakes can be learned from: the bad ones never all come from the same place.

(“Albus Severus, you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew.”)

You are moving forward. The world is going on.

Everything fits, shifting back, and Draco Malfoy disappears in puffs of steam. Your own trips to King’s Cross were lonely, but the present time is different. Your son will have his parents. . You remember another King’s Cross, imposed on this. The station had been empty then, of trains, of departure and return. There, stripped of everything, you learned you were love, you were life. It was real, in your mind. You must be right. Everything fits.

Tell your son he can make the future different. Tell him he can choose

(“The Sorting Hat will take your choice into consideration. It did for me.”)

You are not your father. Nor is Albus you.

Go on; tell him he can choose to be you.

Who wouldn’t be? Why should he? Your words were only whispers, and your name was just a name.

Your boy with the same unruly black hair will just want to be the same, same as the boys with pale faces, with glasses and with smiles. He’s already decided. If Severus was so brave, maybe they just Sort too young. He was obviously in the wrong place, because your son knows where all the bad ones come from.

He looks over to the blondes standing yards away in steam.

But you’re looking forward; you've already forgotten your momentary fear. Your scar has not hurt for nineteen years, and now it’s time to go. Albus and his brother board the train. Several minutes later the steam whistles, and the train chugs by. Several minutes more and it is all over; the train has sped and sped until at last it is a bullet, shooting straight into the future, into the unknown.

You are looking forward.

The world is going on.

All is well.

[identity profile] ncp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh wow. All those parallels. I got chills...
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
One of my favorite things about HP is the way the generations mirror each other. I'm glad that aspect worked for you!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/somethingelse__/ 2007-07-23 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This was amazing. Thank you.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank *you*! Glad you liked it.

[identity profile] krystalblaze.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, I did indeed enjoy this. How... calculating. You've opened my mind up to another world of possibilities. Perhaps more thought on this later after I've reread the book and this one - but fantastic job.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad if this helped you look at the epilogue in a different way. I quite liked the ambiguity of that part of the book. Thanks so much for letting me know!

[identity profile] apythia.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! So well done. Made me tear up just like the book.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks a lot! I did find the epilogue, in some respects, more sad than happy!

Also, I love your icon.
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[identity profile] ladycat777.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. This -- this I could've had for an epilogue, easily, because this at least acknowledges the history and trauma of the last seven books.

Also, excellent.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'm so chuffed you came over to read this! And glad it worked for you.

[identity profile] loupgarou1750.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh. My. God.

Very nicely done. Very creepy. Very right and true. Thank you.

and here from [livejournal.com profile] bethbethbeth's rec by the way.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad this worked for you! Thank you very much.

[identity profile] pimpinellae.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmm, I liked Rowling's carefree epilogue and I really like what you have done with it. Great food for thoughts.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I quite liked the epilogue as well. I thought it was ambiguous--something that could be read as happy or something that could be foreboding. I'm glad this worked for you--thank you!

[identity profile] dragonzair.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Good Lord, this gave me the creeps and chills.

That's just...*shudders*

Beautifully done. Although, I'm still confused at certain aspets of this fic, but I will gladly read it over and over again till I get it. It's too wonderful not too.

It scares me when I think about whether JKR actually gave this some thought. o.O
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I wrote this quite quickly and posted it hastily, so I'm not surprised some of it's confusing. I wish now I could clean it up a little more and make some parts clearer, but well, it's up and it's done. I'm glad you enjoyed it anyway!

I, too, wondered how much JKR was thinking about these parallels when writing the epilogue. There are just so many of them, and so obvious, they seem deliberate.

Thanks so much for your comment.

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[identity profile] spikendru.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
This was excellent! You actually spelled out what JKR just hinted at in the epilogue (which IMO, was the weakest part of the book). When I reread, I wil be thinking of your insightful epilogue instead.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I liked how there *were* hints like this in the epilogue. It can be read as something happy, but I read it as something rather different. I'm glad this reading works for you; thank you so much for letting me know!

[identity profile] latine.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I have goosebumps.

Pimping this on my journal.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much! I'm honored.

[identity profile] finchburg.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I had so many issues with the epilogue because I thought it was just utterly cheesy and a shining example of JKR's "talents" with prose. But after reading this it really makes me wonder on which end of the spectrum that ending lies (happy vs. creepy/foreboding/etc), especially since she has had this part of the story written/planned for so long.

This essay/analysis/fic/stream of concious/etc was excellent. Thank you for sharing.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! I really can't decide whether JKR does these things on purpose or not. I rather think she must, because there were too many parallels in the epilogue that were too glaring. Either way, she does a good job of making me uncomfortable.

I didn't know whether to call this fic or meta or rambling! Whatever it was, I'm tickled you liked it. Thank you.

[identity profile] joesther.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This is amazing. I'd never noticed the circular pattern before, but now I do and I can see why you call it creepy. Definitely.

Loved this. Will be reccing it asap.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! One of my favorite things about HP is the way it shows patterns throughout generations. And I'm honored that you'd want to rec it; thanks again.

[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
... wow. Just astonishingly, brilliantly and chillingly evocative, seeing into messages beneath the shiny surface of DH's epilogue. Masterfully done, showing so many levels and the cycles in which things travel.

As someone else commented, I'm printing this out and putting it at the back of my copy of DH.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
I think all this is there in the epilogue already, but it was fun to pick it all out. I'm glad this worked for you--thank you very much!

[identity profile] nashirah.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. Just WOW. That gave me another point of view on the whole epilogue (which I, I must say, found highly amusing. But not now).

And I have an urgent need to translate this fic to Polish. Can I? :)
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, wow, no one's ever wanted to translate a fic of mine before! Of course, as long as you credit, and thanks--I'm honored.

[identity profile] crowdaughter.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! Found this fic following a recommendation, and I am awed. This is really deep, and it is very well written, too! I loved especially the comparsion of the several different boys through history, including Tom Riddle.

Thank you for writing and sharing!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
It's amazing to me how much Riddle has in common with both Snape and Harry. Like three really creepy peas in a pod--well, in a very screwed up way!

Thank you for letting me know you liked it!

[identity profile] dancinglights.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you just saved the epilogue for me. I saw the themes you play with, what she was trying to fit into something happily ever after enough for the youngest of her audiences, but it needed more than a list of names to really work. And you made it work. Thank you.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad if this made you feel differently about the epilogue. I quite like it--as you say, it's a nice happy ending for those who want that, but there are seeds of deeper things there, too. Thank you!

[identity profile] ryla.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Brilliant. :)
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks :o)

[identity profile] lilyofgryfindor.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god. this perspective changes completely how I will view the epilogue. It sent a chill down my spine.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I'm glad if this could make you see something different in the epilogue. I guess I liked that part of the book because I felt like it was open to interpretation.

[identity profile] reblsocr19.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Here through a rec of someone commenting over on Makani's LJ, and I must say your take is brilliant. I, for one, thought the epilogue a fitting end, despite my small quibbles about style. I'm about content, and I think that's what you really brought out here. It's utter fabulous - nuanced and subtle, drawing out the difficult intricacies of post-war life madly attempting antebellum nonchalance. A job well done indeed...
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you very much! I'm glad you felt that way about the epilogue. As I understand it, a lot of people hated it or thought it was fluff and trite. I can see where there coming from, but I think there's a lot there churning just below the surface. It was fun to dig it all up!

[identity profile] xanphibian.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
That is horrifying and wonderful. Thank you.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you back! I'm glad you enjoyed.

[identity profile] dustthouart.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Five years later our boy is prising a wand from those same fingers of that same blond. Fifty years after that, someone is taking that same wand from his own hand, and it’s another blond boy.
Except that it wasn't. The wand simply flew over the edge of the ramparts, Draco never touched it. Dumbledore was buried with the wand, and Voldy, who was never blond, took the wand from the corpse.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
The first blond is Grindelwald; the second is Draco. Draco did take Dumbledore's wand from Dumbledore's hand in that that Draco cast Expelliarmus. Draco did not take the wand for himself, and he did not physically take it or touch it, but the second sentence you quoted was only supposed to say Draco was the cause of the removal of the Elder Wand from Dumbledore. I was careful not to use the terms "prised" or "from his fingers" again so that there would not be this confusion, but perhaps I worded it badly. Thanks for your input.

[identity profile] annalouise.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Great work, very chilling and fitting with the cyclical nature of events JK Rowling has always hinted at.

The epilogue reminded me slightly of the epilogue to the Handmaid's Tale - that while the great evil was vanquished and society returns to normal, the discord and prejudice which created it in the first place lives on in small, petty jokes and reasonings.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
Never read The Handmaid's Tale, but what you say makes me want to read it! That's exactly what I was going for--I don't think Harry & co. achieved absolutely nothing, but it's the little things that grow over time and cause history to repeat. I'm so glad this worked that way for you. Thanks bunches!

[identity profile] carpet-diemon.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Very brrrr. *shivers* 19 years was a bit far into the future. I like your emphasis on the return to the same old-same old. Kinda as if all that adventurating didn't really do a damn thing after all.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
I like to think that it did do something, but in the end, our children will learn better from their own mistakes than from ours. Thank you for your comment!

[identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't read fic, but this is more a "fic-type thing," more of an analysis, and I find it very interesting. (It's definitely better written than the epilogue itself, heh.)

It seems the world is happier without Voldemort, but it doesn't seem as if Wizarding society has changed all that much, has it?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! I didn't quite know what to call this--it's more of an analysis/interpretation essay wearing fic clothing. :o)

It definitely seems to me that the little prejudices which are mostly innocent and almost in jest now will eventually escalate into another Voldemort or Grindelwald all over again.

I'm glad this worked for you; thank you.

[identity profile] very-improbable.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, yes. It makes far more sense now.

Thank you.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you back. I'm glad this worked for you!

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