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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2007-07-22 10:32 pm

HP fic type thing, with spoilers

Apparently, I've committed fic? For Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows?

Everyone keeps saying how trite and sappy and lame the epilogue is. As I've mentioned, I find it CREEPY. Here is why.

Short, with focus on the epilogue. SPOILERS.


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You walk through King’s Cross to see Albus off to Hogwarts for the first time, and your head is crowded with paternal thoughts of loss. You can’t believe you’re here again, how it seems the time has flown. Then through a puff of steam you hazily see your son, and think how he could be you.

Then you wonder how long boys with the same unruly black hair, with the same pale faces, same glasses and same smiles, everything the same, have been boarding this train. Maybe your father looked like his own father, who looked like his own father, and back and back and back. The pattern is comfortably worn, and there is a sense of right to it.

History repeats. Time moves in circles. All is well.

Your own trips to King’s Cross were lonely, once Vernon sent you off and before you met up your friends. Your own son won’t be alone. He will have a red-haired mother and spectacled father; they will wave good bye, just as your mother and father would have done had they could.

There is a sense of right to this thought, too. History repeats, but never quite the same way. You are not your father. Nor is Albus you (as far as you can tell). There might be similarities, but you are your own people. You can make the future different; you can choose.

You are moving forward. The world is going on. All is well.

Everything fits. The shiny lines of Hogwarts track stretch straight out before you; the engine will chug into the future, into the unknown. And predictably, reliably, the engine will return. You remember another King’s Cross, imposed on this. The station had been clean then, so clear, lit with the white of steam, of certainty and uncertainty, of endless cycles of departures and return. In your mind, but real, Dumbledore had said. It makes a sort of sense. Everything fits.

Then all the pieces shift, following the incline of Draco Malfoy’s head.

Once that angle of acknowledgement had been far broader; it had encompassed so much more. He’d held out his hand to you on the train, out at ninety degrees. Across, even, drawing a straight line, as if you were equal. But you’d known him for what he was, even then. He was spoiled, self important, unkind. You had already decided. You had been told where all the bad ones came from.

(“I won’t! I won’t be in Slytherin!”)

History repeats. Time moves in circles.

Siblings argue on the platform. One red-haired, one blonde. The blonde secretly longs to be different, separated from all the normal people she knows, but she can’t. Her sister can, and that makes her a freak.

Another argument between two more siblings, one with black hair, one with red, is of course entirely different. The dark-haired one secretly longs to be not different, but the same. He longs to be the boy with the same unruly black hair, with the same pale face, same glasses and same smile, everything the same, boarding this train. And of course your son is only taunting his brother—saying that he won’t be like them; it is only jest.

(“I only said he might be. There’s nothing wrong with that. He might be in Slyth—”)

The red-haired sister, the freak, steps on board as so many have done before her. There’s a boy there with her, and he holds his heart out to her on the train, just as another boy has held out his hand. He extends it at a right angle, so that if she reached back, their heartstrings would measure level, as if they could ever be the same.

And look, everything fits: here with them is a boy with the same unruly black hair, the same pale face, the same glasses and same smile. This boy wouldn’t want to be any different than those other boys, with the same unruly black hair, the same pale faces, who’ve come before. If he was any different, he says, he’d leave—wouldn’t you? This boy, too, has already decided. He’s been told where all the bad ones come from.

(“So that’s little Scorpius. Make sure you beat him in every test, Rosie.”)

History repeats. Time moves in circles.

Yet another boy, but this one holds out nothing. Instead, he takes. They know that; they can see it; they find out. The professor had looked down into this boy's box of stolen property and seen it all, everything, except the heart thrust too far down to offer as you’ve seen others offer theirs. That was why the professor threatened this one; that was why this boy never even learned he might have instead been welcomed. That was why he never knew that to take someone’s hand, he would not have to lower his own. He never suspected that anyone could be his equal, or the same. He’s already decided, where all the bad ones come from: the Mudbloods and the scum.

(“Don’t get too friendly with him, though, Rosie. Granddad Weasley would never forgive you if you married a pureblood.”)

History repeats. Time . . .

Here’s another boy, and another blond. It’s not at a station but it’s at the start of summer, as certain and sure as the return of the Hogwarts train. This blond is merry, laughing, clever, powerful, and this time, the boy accepts the blond's hand. A friendship is struck.

Five years later our boy is prising a wand from those same fingers of that same blond. Fifty years after that, someone is taking that same wand from his own hand, and it’s another blond boy.

The wand that next came to you.

. . . moves in circles.

You could be him, you know, the man who wielded that wand for those fifty years. Your son could be him, too; he even shares the name. Your son also has a brother and a baby sister, not at Hogwarts yet. When you suddenly realize this, you don’t actually know what you’d do if three Muggles laid a hand on your daughter, did what they did to that other one so long ago. You do not know if you would go to Azkaban; you do not know what you daughter would do, either, if that happened. You don’t know whether she would lose control, kill your wife, whether either one of the brothers could kill the sister, or whether it would be—

—why, it could just as easily be that blond boy over there, arguing with your sons, all of them fighting and spitting and throwing curses about, until the sister gets caught somehow in the cross-fire. It could be that blond boy with his father, who looks exactly like him.

History . . .

You go in your different directions, but you always end up here, back at the station, the place of endless departure and return. Only in the places where the tracks cross, the lines meet, the threads tie, only here can you all exist for each other. Here in these intersecting moments, you make each other who you are; you make each other real.

Draco Malfoy only exists for you in a train station, autumn to autumn, Christmas to Christmas. Gindelwald only rises when Dumbledore shakes his hand; Tom Riddle only succeeds because there’s no one here to meet him; Severus Snape’s driving force in life was Lily Potter’s eyes, and Rosie will smugly outshine Scorpius just because her father told her to.

For a moment you see the future folding out before your eyes, as the past has just done, and you see the two are mirrors. They are the same. And even if the scar has not hurt you for nineteen years, fear, blatant and sudden, seizes you. It makes you crouch down, so that your son’s face is slightly above your own, so you can whisper away your fears like a dirty secret.

History repeats, but never quite the same way. Things can be different this time. Mistakes can be learned from: the bad ones never all come from the same place.

(“Albus Severus, you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew.”)

You are moving forward. The world is going on.

Everything fits, shifting back, and Draco Malfoy disappears in puffs of steam. Your own trips to King’s Cross were lonely, but the present time is different. Your son will have his parents. . You remember another King’s Cross, imposed on this. The station had been empty then, of trains, of departure and return. There, stripped of everything, you learned you were love, you were life. It was real, in your mind. You must be right. Everything fits.

Tell your son he can make the future different. Tell him he can choose

(“The Sorting Hat will take your choice into consideration. It did for me.”)

You are not your father. Nor is Albus you.

Go on; tell him he can choose to be you.

Who wouldn’t be? Why should he? Your words were only whispers, and your name was just a name.

Your boy with the same unruly black hair will just want to be the same, same as the boys with pale faces, with glasses and with smiles. He’s already decided. If Severus was so brave, maybe they just Sort too young. He was obviously in the wrong place, because your son knows where all the bad ones come from.

He looks over to the blondes standing yards away in steam.

But you’re looking forward; you've already forgotten your momentary fear. Your scar has not hurt for nineteen years, and now it’s time to go. Albus and his brother board the train. Several minutes later the steam whistles, and the train chugs by. Several minutes more and it is all over; the train has sped and sped until at last it is a bullet, shooting straight into the future, into the unknown.

You are looking forward.

The world is going on.

All is well.

[identity profile] last-radio.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This is wonderful. I wish JKR had chosen to emphasize what you do, here, instead of the Disney ending. I'll just pretend, yes?

Sending everyone I can in this direction.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much! Although JKR didn't emphasize these things I felt like they were there, so she really gave us a lot to think about. I'm glad you liked this take on it.

[identity profile] sweet-iolanthe.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
this is by far better than the real thing. i was really dissapointed with that epilogue. liked the mention of Draco a lot. You made this very wonderful, barely any dialoque but it was well written. loved it.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

I actually rather liked the epilogue, because I felt like all this was there floating beneath the surface. Their response to Draco on the platform really drove that home for me.

[identity profile] soundingsea.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
If Severus was so brave, maybe they just Sort too young. He was obviously in the wrong place, because your son knows where all the bad ones come from.

*sniffles* And this, this is what's so wrong with that epilogue. And what's so beautiful in this treatment of it. Well done.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I really did have a problem with Dumbledore's line about Sorting too soon.

Thanks so much; I'm glad you liked this.

[identity profile] solosoliloquy.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for making the epilogue right.

"You go in your different directions, but you always end up here, back at the station, the place of endless departure and return. Only in the places where the tracks cross, the lines meet, the threads tie, only here can you all exist for each other. Here in these intersecting moments, you make each other who you are; you make each other real."

my favorite part. nice job
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! And I'm so glad you liked that spot in particular, because while it made sense in my head I wasn't sure it would to other people. Glad it worked for you!

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[identity profile] eye-knead-name.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I was pointed here by a few people on my flist, and wow. I really like your take on it. I have to say that at first I was disappointed with the epilogue, but now that I've read this and a few other defenses of it on my flist, I've started to change my mind. If JKR intended all of this, just wow. If not... well, it's still wow that people can read all of these different things into it. This is exactly why I like it that JKR doesn't tie everything up nicely and still leaves a few loose ends.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I am so glad if I could have a hand in making you see the epilogue differently. I want to say JKR intended it, but I'm just not sure. But still, as you say, it can be read in different ways, and to me that's what makes it enjoyable. And loose ends are what fanfic is for!

[identity profile] angellorexx.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you deserve at least a couple of the many millions Jo's got from the books, since you can do such a wonderful job on such a lame, crappy epilogue. Thanks.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Aw, I liked the epilogue. I felt like all this was there just below the surface, so it could be read as both happy and depressing. But I'll take those millions anyway, thanks!

[identity profile] cordelianne.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
This is so gorgeous and chilling and lyrical and insightful. I love how you really brought out the parallels and circularity between all the characters:
History repeats. Time moves in circles.

I absolutely love this:
You go in your different directions, but you always end up here, back at the station, the place of endless departure and return. Only in the places where the tracks cross, the lines meet, the threads tie, only here can you all exist for each other. Here in these intersecting moments, you make each other who you are; you make each other real.

Absolutely gorgeous fic. Love it! :D
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, thanks hon! I'm glad this worked for you. I like how you quoted the intersecting moments line; I wasn't sure it worked.

[identity profile] eurydike.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
A friend of mine ([profile] sweetneko sent me here this morning and I couldn't keep myself from reading your 'analysis' over and over again. It's an amazing piece of writing which left me entirely impressed.

I have to admit: I was one of those who didn't like the epilogue. It did occur to me that the pattern was strangely familiar, but honestly, I was too exhausted to contemplate it any further.

Reading your train of thoughts now, makes me love the whole book even more. And I suspect that Mrs. Rowling might have intentionally written the epilogue the way she did: Intentionally made it sound lame and clichéd in the hope that some people will understand.

Well, and you're one of those who did understand and now helps others to do so as well.

Thank you!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much! I'm so glad if I could help you to look at the epilogue differently. I don't know if JKR did it intentionally, either. I do think she wanted to make it mostly a happy ending, but all these things are there just below the surface--so really you can read it any way you want.

[identity profile] alixyveth.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Now I know why the epilogue creeped me out so much.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Glad I could shed some light on that! Thanks!

[identity profile] ellenru.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Here from bethbethbeth's rec. Nicely done - both creepy and satisfying. If this is what was intended, JKR missed the mark with how she did it. Of course, there's a fine line in the creep department in a "Children's Book", but still

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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure JKR intended this...I think she wanted to give us a happy ending, but leave clues for those of us who want to read deeper or more critically. Either way, I'm so glad you appreciated this take on it--thanks!

[identity profile] dolphinluv2783.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope you don't mind that I pimped you in [livejournal.com profile] daily_snitch. I think they gave me credit for it though, so I'll comment and point out that it's your essay.

I LOVE THIS, btw. Too bad this isn't the epilogue. :)
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, no, thank you so much! I'm very honored you liked this enough to go to the trouble. Thanks a lot!

[identity profile] malhablada.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll just join the countless others by piping up and saying that this is brilliant.

It's odd, I don't think I got any closure from the book until I read your fanfic. Until I could reprocess the feverishly fast read back through the epilogue you wrote, that is. Now even JKR's trite version has resonance.

Thank you for that. I can't speak for anyone else, but you saved the end of a nine-year obsession of mine from being thoroughly unsatisfying.

Thank you.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. That's a really really high compliment!

I think I know how you feel. There are quite a few parts of HP that leave me feeling...kind of unsatisfied, everyone acting like everything is resolved and the loose ends are tied and all the lessons have been learned, whereas I'm left saying, "But you still look down on goblins as a race, and that is WRONG!"--But I feel like it's supposed to be that way. You can take it happy, as written, or you can read things into it that have true depth and are unsettling, but meaningful.

Anyway, if this piece could give you that sense of resonance, I am truly pleased. Thank you so much.

[identity profile] firedrake-mor.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
That was beautifully written, and a nice coda to the Epilogue of Deathly Hallows. I really appreciate the view behind the scar, as it were.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks--I'm glad this interpretation worked for you!

[identity profile] rubbaduckie06.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
O.M.G. This was posted in [livejournal.com profile] deathly_hallow and I'm so glad. Well done!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!

[identity profile] niangao.livejournal.com 2007-07-25 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
For me, the best fanfic imbues meaning and depth into otherwise boring canon. I still wish JKR had left out the epilogue, but this is just absolutely chilling. *brrrr*
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, I quite liked the epilogue, because the details are there for us to read all this stuff into it! But I'm glad you liked this take on it, and thanks for letting me know.

[identity profile] darkrosetiger.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
This was fantastic. It summed up everything I felt about the epilogue in a beautiful, lyrical and ultimately haunting way.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I'm so glad you felt similarly about the epilogue--so many people disliked it, but I found it just right, with just enough ambiguity to make me a happy camper.

[identity profile] xnymphadorax.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, this was really, really disquieting. You've picked up on parallels I would never have seen but now seem so obvious. I'm not entirely sure if JK even meant for them to be there, but there is no denying there presence. It seems almost as if our hero and his friends are repeating the mistakes of generations past and in so doing, contaminating (for lack of a better word) their children. When I was reading the epilogue and little Albus Severus was afraid he might be in Slytherin, I remember that I thought it would be nice if he was. As Harry points out, one of the men his son was named for was a Slytherin and he was just as great a man as any Gryffindor ever was. Yet, even Harry is still prejudiced against the silver and green house. It's eerie how things don't change... I have to say, I still don't like the epilogue because I don't think it aspires to any of the brilliance that's here but you're certainly pointed out its potential!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much! I do like the epilogue for precisely that reason--it's potential; you can read lots of different stuff into it.

I'm not sure JKR meant to put all these parallels in on purpose or not, either, but I usually vote that she did. There's just too many, and moments like this--where our heroes are prejudiced and in so being mirror the villains--occur all through HP. If she's doing it on accident, well, that's a genius of its own, I suspect!

Yeah, I really thought Harry was going to tell Albus when he started talking about Severus that Slytherins could be good too. But then he turned around and said, "oh, but if you don't really want to be in Slytherin just ask not to get put there" which suggests to me Harry is alright with maintaining the status quo. So, yeah, it's kinda depressing!
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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. Really excellent. I love it. I really found the epilogue so sad that despite Harry saying how brave Snape had been and how that meant not all Slytherins were bad, he still encourages Albus to ask the hat for a different house. It's like after everything that happened, no one learned any lessons.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks, I'm so glad you enjoyed this.

And yes! That's exactly how I felt. When Harry started telling Albus about Severus, I thought he was going to end with something like: "so it's alright if you're in Slytherin" or "you can be in Slytherin and be proud of it" ... instead he says, "well, go on and choose to maintain the status quo, if you really want to go on being prejudiced." And of course Albus would choose Gryffindor; he's a little kid and doesn't even know what prejudice is.

Eeek. In some ways the epilogue makes me so happy, in other ways so depressed. That is why I love it.

[identity profile] lijoka.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
I'm here through a friend's friends page.

I have to point out that this was amazing. Simply amazing - so much meaning and connections I hadn't seen before... I'll never read the epilogue the same way ever again.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much! I'm glad if I can help you to look at the epilogue a different way. There's a lot of depth in it, I think.

[identity profile] sabotaged.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
You're simply amazing.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I'm chuffed you think so!

[identity profile] seegrim.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
That was wonderful, thank you.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-28 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you back!
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[personal profile] ringthebells 2007-07-26 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Here via ... er, some series of links. I don't even know.

I just read the epilogue two hours ago, and already you've totally changed its resonance for me. (Nicely done.)

I don't know if you watch Battlestar Galactica, but it has a catchphrase (mantra) that seems very fitting here: All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-28 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I love BSG! It plays on that idea--of everything happening again--so wonderfully. That's why I go boggley if ever I try to write fic for it.

I'm really glad if this could make you think about the epilogue a little differently. Thanks!

[identity profile] prettiermusings.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Oh wow, this is amazing. To be honest, I hadn't thought of the epilogue like this before, but my perspective on it has definitely changed after reading this, and I doubt I'll look at it the same again. Regardless of whether or not JKR meant for those undertones to be there, they certainly are there if you look. Chilling.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-28 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

I'm so glad if this could make you think of the epilogue differently. I, too, am unsure whether JKR did it purposely, but it certainly gave the ending added depth to me.
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[identity profile] japanimecrazed.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Love the depth this gives the epilogue. Read twice, since I forgot to comment the first time, and it's just as chilling the second time. *shivers and clings to scoradh's latest fic*
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-28 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, thanks for taking the time to comment! Glad you liked it.

*shivers and clings to scoradh's latest fic*

Where is that?
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[personal profile] cruisedirector 2007-07-26 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish Rowling had been thinking as deeply about her own universe as you obviously have. Gorgeous and powerful. Thanks for this.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2007-07-28 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks, glad you enjoyed.

I'm not sure if JKR meant to leave all those clues that spoke to deeper, darker things, but I rather think she was quite deliberate about showing how generations can echo each other and pattern.

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