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It's Lion Turtles all the way down ([personal profile] lettered) wrote2005-12-11 04:55 pm

70 Questions for Lindsey McDonald

Because:

1) there are a billion other things I have to do right now.
2) Lindsey is one of my favorite characters, but I have few fic ideas for him. I want to work on his voice. Also, I should write more first person because I hate it like marmite on cockroaches.
3) I think [livejournal.com profile] nemo_gravis is awesome for keeping this organized, and [livejournal.com profile] mara_sho for making a web site. Thanks!
4) I fully expect my new music guru [livejournal.com profile] a2zmom to tell me music Lindsey would like. But not KANE because that's kinda lame.


To: chicklitz@yoyodyne.com
From: macdonald@weyland_yutani.com
Subject: Re: Psych Evaluation

1. DO YOU SNORE?
There are a lot who’d like to be in a position to find out.

2. ARE YOU A LOVER OR A FIGHTER?
I’m a lawyer.

3. WHAT'S YOUR WORST FEAR?
Check room 101 at Wolfram and Hart. Orwell didn’t just make that shit up.

4. AS A KID, WERE YOU A LEGO MANIAC?
Before or after the IRS took our house away? Before or after my sister died because we couldn’t pay for her prescription? Oh yeah. It was all legos and game boys and Barbie dreamhouses with us.

5. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF "REALITY" TV?
I have better things to think about.

6. DO YOU CHEW ON YOUR STRAWS?
No.

7. WERE YOU A CUTE BABY?
Sure. My mom was drinking like a fish through all six pregnancies and dad was smoking like a chimney. Premature and malnourished and cute as a button, Ma used to say. Any more questions about my childhood? I have enough cliches about being poor as dirt to fill your goddam hard drive, so yeah, let’s.

8. IS THE SINGLE LIFE FOR YOU?
For now.

9. WHAT COLOR IS YOUR KEYBOARD?
Black.

10. DO YOU SING IN THE SHOWER?
Yeah. But often enough there’s someone in there with me, and then I have other things to do with my mouth.

11. HAVE YOU EVER BUNGEE JUMPED?
Never got the chance.

12. ANY SECRET TALENTS?
If you want to fuck around inside my head and find out, come try it.

13. WHAT'S YOUR IDEAL VACATION SPOT?
Home. In an alternate dimension, where my sister is alive. It was one of Wolfram and Hart’s carrots.

14. IS JAY LENO FUNNY?
He’s not supposed to be. Lilah says the entertainment division keeps him on the air for other reasons. And how the fuck she got that intel before me I’ve yet to figure out.

15. CAN YOU SWIM?
Yes.

16. HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIE "DONNIE DARKO"?
Yeah. Are the transdimensional analysts are still using it for educational screenings?

17. DO YOU GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE OZONE?
Its destruction wasn’t my department. So no.

18. HOW MANY LICKS DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO THE CENTER OF A TOOTSIE ROLL POP?
Depends on the toots I’m licking, how long we’ve been rolling around, and whether she’s been popped. Try having your goons psychicking that answer, huh?

19. CAN YOU SING THE ALPHABET BACKWARDS?
I can sing anything.

20. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON AN AIRPLANE?
No. Drove the truck over to L.A., and Holland shunted me straight into the courtroom, which means I missed out on all the footwork—grunt stuff: flying to Timbuktu and back. Which drove Lilah fucking nuts; I got in three weeks what she got in three years. Of course, never did get those paid vacations and private jet flights home they promised me, either.

21. ARE YOU AN ONLY CHILD?
I don’t know any more. Wolfram and Hart had something to do with my brother, I’m pretty sure of that now. I got the family moved, told them not to tell me where they were going. And now? Not even sure I care any more.

22. DO YOU PREFER ELECTRIC OR MANUAL PENCIL SHARPENER?
I have this evil hand. It prefers knives.

23. WHAT'S YOUR STAND ON HUNTING?
Some people still do it to eat. And some people still do it to get rid of star witnesses for the prosecution. Hey, gotta do what you gotta do. And if we’re talking guns, I’m told Charlton Heston was always a very generous client. Very personable.

24. IS MARRIAGE IN YOUR FUTURE?
I’ll think about that when Angel is in an urn on my mantle.

25. DO YOU LIKE YOUR HANDWRITING?
Did I mention the hand? I just don’t understand why the DIE DIE DIE, KILL KILL KILL doesn’t slant further to the right. If they were going to give me an evil hand, they could’ve given me nice penmanship. Or even, I don’t know, a mime hand. Now mimes, they’re pathologically insane. Instead, I get just plain old evil. I might . . . I don’t know, type a crazy number of exclamation points and spontaneously press caps lock. Or force feed myself a Payday because I’m allergic to peanuts. Or murder a baby while it’s mother is singing to it. But jazz hands, no. It’s like they didn’t appreciate me at all.

26. WHAT ARE YOU ALLERGIC TO?
Didn’t my evil hand just cover that?

27. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAID, "I LOVE YOU"?
Gal named Eve. She just eats it up.

28. IS ELVIS STILL ALIVE?
If I read the file right, Elvis was never technically alive to begin with.

29. DO YOU CRY AT WEDDINGS?
No.

30. HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR EGGS?
With bacon.

31. ARE BLONDES DUMB?
The most Machiavellian woman I ever knew was blonde. She could wrap a man around her baby finger twice without him even knowing it. Not that it takes much to wind up Mister Symbol of Right, but no, not stupid. She also gave head better than any pro I’ve ever had. Thought you knew everything about us, did you?

And Eve—she blonde? Well. Eve’s a piece of work, isn’t she. Bet she could tie him in knots, too. Blondes are his thing; it’s in his file. And dumb. That should be in his file, too.

32. WHERE DOES THE OTHER SOCK END UP?
That wasn’t my department, either.

33. WHAT TIME IS IT?
N/A. I’m not reworking this if some bureaucratic asshole decides to sit on it for a day, just so he can send it back for reentry because the time and date are wrong. Little trick Lee liked to pull, back when he was above me. And alive. And getting blow-jobs from Gavin the yes-man in the mailroom.

34. DO YOU HAVE A NICKNAME?
Thinking of going by Doyle. Because Angel likes it up the ass.

35. IS MCDONALD'S DISGUSTING?
Big Mac and fries used to be like a feast for us. So yeah, tastes like shit on a stick, but the Senior Partners seem to think the franchise requisite to preventing world peace.

36. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE IN A CAR, AND WHO WERE YOU WITH?
A year or so ago. Company limo with highly paid hookers. My truck isn’t a car.

37. DO YOU PREFER BATHS OR SHOWERS?
Depends on who I’m with and what she wants.

38. IS SANTA CLAUS REAL?
He’s on the Senior Partners Ten Most Wanted. After the Slayer but before the Dali Lama.

39. DO YOU LIKE TO HAVE YOUR NECK KISSED?
Biting is better.

40. ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE DARK?
See above. Never was afraid of anything much.

41. WHAT ARE YOU ADDICTED TO?
Power and those little sour candies that come two in a pack.

42. CRUNCHY OR CREAMY PEANUT BUTTER?
Neither.

43. CAN YOU CRACK YOUR NECK?
Sure. Bet I can also break my neck. One-handed. Guess which hand.

44. HAVE YOU EVER RIDDEN IN AN AMBULANCE?
Yes.

45. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BRUSHED YOUR TEETH TODAY?
Twice.

46. IS DRUG FREE THE WAY TO BE?
Wolfram and Hart was a strictly clean office. The did urine tests. Seemed off, considering, but it’s somehow connected with the Senior Partners being against the push to legalize marijuana. Could never figure how that fit in with their stance against world peace. They’re also officially opposed to Calvin and Hobbes, free internet porn, and Canada. It all makes more sense when I’m high.

47. ARE YOU A HEAVY SLEEPER?
No.

48. WHAT COLOR ARE YOUR EYES?
Blue, green, something in between. My mom used to sing me that. Aquamarine. She didn’t really know. Or give a fuck.

50. DO YOU LIKE YOUR LIFE?
I bought the urn. For Angel. I’ll like my life then.

51. DO YOU HAVE ANY TATTOOS OR PIERCINGS?
I’ve got all kinds of good ones, now.

52. ARE YOU PSYCHIC?
Smarter than a bag of hammers, aren’t you.

53. HAVE YOU READ "CATCHER IN THE RYE"?
I read all the classics. Made straight A’s. All that David Copperfield kind of crap. If you really want to know about it, I liked Salinger. I could get where he was coming from. I also liked Moby Dick. I could relate to characters in that book, too.

54. DO YOU PLAY ANY INSTRUMENTS?
Guitar. When my hand isn’t plastic or trying to kill me.

55. HAVE YOU EVER STOLEN MONEY?
Don’t you know that Wolfram and Hart raises funds through charity balls, community fundraisers, and selling cookies? Actually, last I heard, Senior Partners were entering negotiations with high ups in Girl Scouts, so that might not’ve been completely sarcastic.

56. CAN YOU SNOWBOARD?
No. I’ve only seen snow a couple times. Once was that Christmas in L.A. That was different. Lilah was different that night, too.

57. DO YOU LIKE CAMPING?
Sometimes. My Dad used to take us out, one at a time. We didn’t have a tent or anything like that, but we’d sit and look up at the stars, and it was . . . He used to say there were angels up there. What a load of fucking bull.

58. DO YOU SNORT WHEN YOU LAUGH?
No.

59. DO YOU BELIEVE IN MAGIC?
Actually, last time I went to the labs, one of the techs tried to convince me that magic is just another way of explaining physics on a sub-atomic level with—I don’t know. My hand started twitching and then he shut up and gave me what I wanted.

60. ARE DOGS A MAN'S BEST FRIEND?
Yes.

61. YOU BELIEVE IN DIVORCE?
No.

62. CAN YOU DO THE MOONWALK?
No. Turns out Michael Jackson can’t, either. He has evil legs. And he’s getting an evil face piece by piece.

63. DO YOU MAKE MANY MISTAKES?
Not many. Biggest mistake I seem to’ve made is being born to attract people who fuck things up for me.

64. IS IT COLD OUTSIDE TODAY?
Freezing at forty-eight degrees.

65. WHAT WAS THE LAST THING YOU ATE?
Lemon pie.

66. DO YOU WEAR NAIL POLISH?
It was a phase. Hands don’t need black nail polish to do evil things. Found that out in college, when both were still mine.

67. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN KISSED?
I do the kissing.

68. WHAT'S THE MOST ANNOYING TV COMMERCIAL?
John Stamos. I miss the mullet.

69. DO YOU SHOP AT AMERICAN EAGLE?
Not really.

70. FAVORITE BAND AT THE MOMENT?
I’ve got a better sound than anyone out there.


ETA: I'm an idiot who can't even spell the name of the character. Don't mind me. *whistles*

[identity profile] a2zmom.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Love this. Love Lindsey's sarcastic, bitter voice here. And his ongoing Angel obsession.

Favorite bands? The classics: Merle Haggard. George Strait. Conway Twitty. Buck Owens.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
And his ongoing Angel obsession

He's so in love.

The classics:

That's what I thought at first, but what he sang at Caritas didn't sound very classic to me. Then again, he wouldn't necessarily pick someone he sounds like. Thanks. It was bothering me.
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[identity profile] naol.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
This was an absolute blast. Ditto on the bitter, sarkyness. Perfect Lindsey :)

46. IS DRUG FREE THE WAY TO BE?
Wolfram and Hart was a strictly clean office. The did urine tests. Seemed off, considering, but it’s somehow connected with the Senior Partners being against the push to legalize marijuana. Could never figure how that fit in with their stance against world peace. They’re also officially opposed to Calvin and Hobbes, free internet porn, and Canada. It all makes more sense when I’m high.


this is perhaps the most perfect answer to that question in any of these meme-fic things.I couldn't stop cackling like a fiend *g*

Thank you so much for writing this!
ext_7189: (lissla)

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
Ha! Thank you! I found it more fun to write W&H's stand on things than Lindsey, actually. Of course they'd be against Canada.

[identity profile] jgracio.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
What has Canada ever done to W&H?

Liked this.
ext_7189: (lissla)

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
What has Canada ever done to W&H?

Canada is just . . . Canada. W&H also has a problem with Newman's Own Lowfat Balsamic Vinegarette.

And thank you.

[identity profile] a2zmom.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I'm not surprised.

Have you tried that dressing? It's bliss. Angel would lose his soul if his taste buds worked.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
lol! No, I actually haven't tried it. I've had other Newman products, and they've all been very good. For that and other reasons, W&H is against everything Newman on general principle.

[identity profile] mshepnj.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
6. IS DRUG FREE THE WAY TO BE?
Wolfram and Hart was a strictly clean office. The did urine tests. Seemed off, considering, but it’s somehow connected with the Senior Partners being against the push to legalize marijuana. Could never figure how that fit in with their stance against world peace. They’re also officially opposed to Calvin and Hobbes, free internet porn, and Canada. It all makes more sense when I’m high.


Bwah! LOL!

This whole Q & A is so perfectly Lindsey. Bravo!

I think he likes Alison Krauss's music too, for those softer moments.
ext_7189: (lissla)

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I've never done anything Lindseyish before, so this felt like a challenge.

And thanks for the Alison Krauss suggestion. I'm not to up on country music. Though I like lots of bluegrass well enough.

[identity profile] violaclaire.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
So. much. love.

I can see Lindsey typing this, cackling away to himself--because Lindsey always thinks his jokes are funny, and the thing is they usually are.

And now I must go read the rest of these.
ext_7189: (lissla)

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
because Lindsey always thinks his jokes are funny, and the thing is they usually are.

You're so right, and that's why this was fun. There were a couple of answers I was thinking, I should have him say something more clever here, and then I realized Lindsey thinks he's the shit no matter what the truth really is, so I just left them.

And I've been having a blast reading the rest. I highly recommend [livejournal.com profile] lostakasha's Cordelia Chase and [livejournal.com profile] bellatemple's Chen Choa-Ahn.

[identity profile] mzzgoddessblue.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Absolutley brilliant!

Do you find doing these gives you a better 'handle' on the characters for writing?
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

I did this in the hopes of getting a handle on the character, but I found that to be problematic. For one thing, no way would Lindsey put up with this shit. He wouldn't answer questions about leggos and tootsie pops for anything but to save his own ass, and then he'd be bitchy and monosyllabic and that'd be no fun. These questions rather do seem like something W&H would give their employees just to keep them on their toes, but again, Lindsey's response would be fuck this shit, because Lindsey doesn't like his chain to be jerked. I think a lot of people doing these things are sort of having this problem--for instance, [livejournal.com profile] bellatemple did one for Kennedy in which Kennedy gets annoyed and walks out after 27 questions. Which was funny for one survey, but if we did that on all of them, it'd be no fun.

Anyway, so beyond that hurtle are weird questions like who's giving the survey, and is he typing this or not? Unless you talk a lot on the internet, like we do, your writing is a lot more formal when you type than when you talk. So if you want realism, you have to sacrifice the character's voice.

And that comes to the issue of making the reading of the questionairre interesting while still in character. For instance, on the question about swimming I had him telling this whole story about a place he and his brothers liked to go to swim, and they had this rope they swung off a rock out over the water on, and one of his brothers almost died doing it. Then he goes on about how that brother started doing heroin once he [Lindsey] started sending money back home from W&H, and about how he just wishes his brother had died that day at the spring. But while I think Lindsey would bitch about his misfortunes etc to anyone who would listen, it's not his habit to ramble about it all the time, and he wants to appear anything but whiny and weak (of course, he's both).

In the end, I decided he'd probably just say "Yeah." So while I feel Lindsey stayed in character there, the value of the question and its answer as reading material for your (and my) entertainment is completely lost. "Yeah" is boring; there's nothing behind that answer for you as a reader; the story about the swim hole is more interesting. (On some questions, that's not true. I think his monosyllabic replies to the dog and divorce questions say a lot about Lindsey. With characters who say less as a rule, like Oz, this is almost easier. You're already reading a paragraph into every word Oz says, because he says so little, and the sparseness itself is entertaining.)

But anyway, on some of them, I felt like I sacrificed voice to be entertaining, especially when Lindsey goes on about W&H, as in the drug question. Lindsey doesn't want you to be amused by W&H's goofy stances on things. He wants you to be amused by him and how clever he is.

So there's being entertaing vs. being in character, and there's also being honest vs. being in character. For instance, on the addiction question, I had Lindsey say "power", which is true about Lindsey. But does Lindsey know that about Lindsey? I'm not sure he does. He thinks being in charge is something he deserves, not some crazy addiction.

Lastly, there's spelling the character's name right. That's always tough.

The only thing I found helpful about this, in the end, is it prodded me to create some back stories for Lindsey's history, and what happened post S2 of AtS and pre S5. But those are things I think about when I write fic anyway--what I really wanted to work on was Lindsey's voice, and no, I didn't get that I don't think.

Bet you weren't expecting an essay! Whew! Sorry.

[identity profile] mzzgoddessblue.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
i love the essay. essay is good. i think that's one of hte reasons i really like your journal (i was going to say 'you' but that sounded kinda mushy..and maybe creepy coming from someone you don't know from a bar of soap..heh) Besides teh fact you write the most wicked fic, even your journal posts are interesting, and make me think.

I love the swimming hole and his brother story. Was lindsey's family ever mentioned on angel, or is this just how you see him? (dirt poor, dead sister etc) I always find the families of the 'bad' guys interesting. Like with Lilah for instance. What made her the way she is? Does she have family that are bad? Or is she alone?

I'd love to see you explore Lindsey's family more. Would he be like the big brother to his siblings? (when they were alive) Does he have any living siblings, and does he help his family out with money? Or has he cut off all ties, whether from fear of W&H finding them, or just because.

Teh questions thing is a wnderful idea. It can help give some background on a character, or help with fic ideas even. And like yousaid, it could be tough depending on which character is doing them - why on earth would Lindsey voluntarily subject himself to this? Would any of them give honest answers? Or just tell the questioneer what htey thought they wanted to hear?

Perhaps writing these questions into a series of fics about Lindsey, where you CAN explore the background, and go more into detail about him would be good (well, for us anyway!! that way we get to read more of your writing..hehe) Lindsey could be thinking of the incident with his brother, but simpley answering 'yeah' to the swimming question.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
i was going to say 'you' but that sounded kinda mushy..and maybe creepy coming from someone you don't know from a bar of soap..heh

It's alright; I like you too! I'm a mushy person (though I know what you mean. Online and with strangers I tend not to be so mushy ;o)

Besides teh fact you write the most wicked fic, even your journal posts are interesting, and make me think.

Why, thank you. I try to be interesting when I post. Irl I have a tendency to ramble and can be pretty boring ;o)

Was lindsey's family ever mentioned on angel

In AtS S1, "Blind Date." That's the ep when Lindsey claims he wants to work with Angel against W&H. Lindsey says to Angel, "I'm talking dirt poor, no shoes, no toilet. Six of us kids in a room, and come flu season it was down to four. I was seven when they took the house. They just came right in and took it..."

Another time Holland says something about Lindsey being poor and having had to work harder than everyone else. So, we know some things about Lindsey's past, but have to fill in the rest.

I always find the families of the 'bad' guys interesting.

Me too, but especially with Lindsey and Faith. I think extreme poverty was a factor in both of their lives, and I think they both have secret leanings towards a desire for redemption (though I think Lindsey's desire for that is a lot less about redemption and a lot more about his arrogance).

Like with Lilah for instance.

Always wondered about her too. I don't think she ever talks about her family or childhood on the show. My take on her is that she was a rich suburbs only child with pushy parents--pushy to the point of barely breathing. Her success made her hated by her peers, but nothing was ever good enough for her parents. She thought that if she could just be successful enough, her parents would have to approve and her peers would have to like and admire her, and that made her manipulative. Her mother was a sparkly socialite who slept with their socialite male friends because Lilah's father was often out at night sleeping around with the socialite female friends. And then one night Lilah learned she could use her body to manipulate people as well.

Poor Lilah.

Would he be like the big brother to his siblings? (when they were alive) Does he have any living siblings, and does he help his family out with money? Or has he cut off all ties, whether from fear of W&H finding them, or just because.

My take on it is that he wasn't the oldest. I prefer to think he was really close to a sibling who died (turns out there were two; I didn't read the dialogue close enough) and that after that he felt estranged from the rest of his siblings. The rest of his childhood was about him trying to prove that he was better than they were.

Imo, he used to send money back home, but stopped because they didn't use the money the way he wanted them to, because he didn't think they appreciated it enough, because all his peers had snazzy suits and went to fancy restaurants, and because he didn't want anyone thinking he was a mama's boy or had any weaknesses (which in his mind, is protecting his family. If they don't think he has a weakness for his family, they won't hurt his family to get to him.)

Wow, this is way too much fun. Thanks for making me think about the characters like this.

it could be tough depending on which character is doing them

Definitely! But yeah, the surveys are fun. Have you been reading them? The one for Illyria did a pretty good job on the "why would she subject herself to this?" thing, I thought.

Perhaps writing these questions into a series of fics about Lindsey

I'd definitely love to do some fics about Lindsey--something like "The Confessional," which would let me explore Lindsey's background while at the same time exploring something that took place in canon. But it's strange, as much as I really love his character I've had very few ideas about fics for him.

that way we get to read more of your writing

hey, thanks again!

[identity profile] ely-jan.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
Very imaginative, interesting look inside Lindsey's head! Just one quick question, is this directly after Dead End because if so, does Eve even exist in the timeline as yet? Just curious.

This is a great idea - love reading everyone's answers!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

When I started this I wanted to delve into what Lindsey was doing post S2 AtS but pre S5. Well, it turned out pre S5 but very very post S2--at such time when he's met Eve but hasn't yet figured out how he's going to take down Angel. But since so many of his answers are about W&H, this doesn't really come off cleary; it feels like he's had no experiences since he quit the firm. That's my own fault--I ended up finding W&H's answers more entertaining than Lindsey's (partly because I think Lindsey's real response would be to just say "fuck this" and walk away).

This is a great idea - love reading everyone's answers!

Been fun, hasn't it?

[identity profile] menomegirl.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. Our Lindsey's meshed really well, I think!

*grins*

That was good!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
Except your Lindsey was spelled right. Dude, I deserve to be shot.

And thank you!

[identity profile] menomegirl.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
*pets you* It's an easy mistake to make. And I think you got his voice down pretty good, for someone who's never really written Lindsey before.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You're such a sweetie. Thanks again.

Lindsey's a bitter, bitter man, no?

[identity profile] lirm35m.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
2. ARE YOU A LOVER OR A FIGHTER?
I’m a lawyer.


So apropos and spot-on.

I thought it was interesting that Lindsey liked 'Catcher in the Rye' considering his poor roots and how much I hated the book when I read it as a kid because I thought 'this kid's life is a piece of cake compared to mine, what the fuck is he angsting about?'

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Re: Lindsey's a bitter, bitter man, no?

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
So apropos and spot-on.

Thanks. And definitely, bitter.

Catcher In The Rye

I can see your point. My angle was that Lindsey identified with Holden's state of mind, which most people can, regardless of situation--that is, the feeling of being unable to identify. I especially thought Lindsey would "get" Holden because a lot of "Catcher" swings on the death of Holden's sister, and myLindsey was very affected by the death of his own sister (he mentions the death of a sibling to Angel in "", and I kinda ran with it).

But now that I'm considering it, I think you're right. Lindsey'd take himself and Holden, compare the material points, and decide he has a whole lot more to bitch about than Holden.

Same thing with Moby Dick. I wanted to suggest Lindsey could identify with Ahab--both of them obsessed over destroying their enemies. The dramatic irony being, of course, that the white whale could've cared less about Ahab, and Ahab invented the rivalry, just like Lindsey seems to think Angel cares two cents for him when he's not poking him. But Lindsey'd read the book and understand that Ahab was a bitter fool, and not identify at all, thinking his own situation completely different (when it's not at all). In the end, Lindsey's too arrogant to identify with anyone; he thinks he's had it worse than anyone and that he still managed to become who he is, so he must be great.

I realize I'm rambling; just my way of thanking you for the insight into Lindsey's character.
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Re: Lindsey's a bitter, bitter man, no?

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
Oops, I meant:

to Angel in "Blind Date"

Thanks again.

Ah, I see.

[identity profile] lirm35m.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
I definitely understand the 'state of mind' thing, now that I'm a grown-up and did my fair share of time with the upper-east side set in high-school, but back then and for years after, I wanted to shoot everyone who even dared to suggest that Holden Caufield was anything less than a sniveling idiot! Then again, this is probably one of the few books that I can admit to having read too early (before I was 12), so maybe it was just me.

I'm glad you didn't take offence to my question because I should have couched my question better -I think I've been hanging around Nemo's contentious self too long to have decorum when asking people about their character's motivation *g*

Your insight about Ahab and 'Moby Dick' is really really interesting, I never thought about that in a Lindsey-centric way, but you've got me hooked...
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
"Catcher" definitely changes with age. When I read it, I identified with it so completely I used to have trouble understanding how anyone could not identify with it. Now that I'm a little older I see that Holden's state of mind has a lot more to do with age and social station than I was willing to previously consider.

I should have couched my question better

Not at all. No need to walk on egg shells with me; I thought your question was both interesting and thought-provoking. I'm not used to working with Lindsey, and I really appreciated you making me question his answer here. I wish I could go back and change it now!

Your insight about Ahab and 'Moby Dick' is really really interesting

Thank you. I feel like a bit of a poseur, though, as I've never read Melville. I'm just going on what I've read the book is about.

Re: Ah, I see.

[identity profile] lirm35m.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
Now that I'm a little older I see that Holden's state of mind has a lot more to do with age and social station than I was willing to previously consider.

Yeah, it took me a few years of boarding school in New-England to get that, but I think I did ;-) Eventually, I just gave up on my crusade against both Holden and '9 stories' and focused more on my love for 'Franey and Zooey', which has been one of my favourite (and IMHO most re-readable) books since the first time I cracked it open. Oddly enough, F&Z didn't evoke my disdain as much as the other two even though the characters are coming from the same over-priviledged and neurotic place and I read them in pretty quick succession -this one being last. Then again, at heart, I'll always define myself as a NYer and I wound up a philosophy major in college, so I guess it all makes sense in the end...

I wish I could go back and change it now!

Bah-humbug to that, I think the fic's great as is :-)

I feel like a bit of a poseur, though, as I've never read Melville. I'm just going on what I've read the book is about.

In short, the book is your summary repeated ad nauseum for about a gazillion pages, seriously, you didn't miss much, LOL.

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Re: Ah, I see.

[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
F&Z is one of my favorites of all time, too. I don't understand why Catcher gets so much attention. I still really admire it, but mostly because it so aptly catches a state of mind that yeah, as we're saying, a certain group feels. But F&Z is so much more . . . I don't know; it's transcendental to me. Catcher is about looking at the world around you, seeing a lack of beauty, and then realizing that you just deal with because beautiful things still exist. F&Z is about looking at the world around you, seeing a lack of beauty, and then realizing that everything is beautiful, and especially everyone is beautiful (or at least has the potential to be). *single perfect tear* That's what they're about to me, anyway. I've never been able to disassociate and detach myself from it enough to analyze F&Z the way an English major should.

I think the fic's great as is

Ha, thanks.

In short, the book is your summary repeated ad nauseum for about a gazillion pages, seriously, you didn't miss much, LOL.

Ha! So I've heard. I'd still like to read it, though, if only so as not to feel false when I pretend I know about it.

[identity profile] irishrose1.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
This has to be one of the most spot on I've read so far! Very well done!
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I've been enjoying reading them all.

[identity profile] lillianmorgan.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
This is just perfect Lindsey. Wheeee! I'm giggling and fanning myself concurrently.
Thinking of going by Doyle. Because Angel likes it up the ass.
Lol lol lol. See what I mean? :)
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

See what I mean?

I do indeed: first of all, how does Lindsey know how Angel likes it?!?

He's so in luuuuurrrrve.

[identity profile] lostakasha.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow!

(Just finished reading and then scrolled past all the detailed comments that I wish I had time to get into...later hoepfully...but for now my FB can't be very articulate.) So:

Your Lindsey is hilarous and nasty and fantastic. I head him speak every word. Simply fantastic.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! It's especially a compliment coming from you--yours have been so spot-on, you're like an expert on voice ;o)

[identity profile] semby.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Woo! Here's hoping I find time in the near future to read everyone else's takes on the characters, because the ones I've read so far have been so very interesting, this one included. You should write more Lindsey! You get him.

I love the answer to the drug question, the references to the evil hand and Micheal Jackson, his life goal of putting Angel in an urn, his bitter, "been there, seen it all, no longer give a fuck" attitude. All so, so good.

Also enjoyed reading your insights in the comments, particularly those to [livejournal.com profile] mzzgoddessblue. You got smarts, lady.
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[identity profile] tkp.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I'd love to write more Lindsey in the future, if I ever get any ideas about him. He's slated to appear in Best Souvenir, though, which should be fun.

And the comments have been fun because I get to explain my choices a little. It's hard with something like this when I can't actually show with the text why I think this character would say these things (in a real fic you get a chance to explain things in other ways).

Thanks again.

[identity profile] zibbycomix.livejournal.com 2008-09-26 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
My BFF told me that interviewing your characters is a great way to find out how they act and what they think. I should try doing that more often....
I thought that Lindsey's replies were really funny, even if I don't know who he is. =)