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C. Happy birthday to

stultiloquentia! She's an excellent writer and thinker and wit, and she makes me incredibly happy when ever I see her soup can. That was not a dirty innuendo.
I. The IWRY Marathon kicked off today! The story is Letters, by Jo (

librarian2003). I haven't read it yet, but I'm really excited because Jo's a fabulous writer. She's one of the first Jossverse fic authors I've ever read! So hop to it, kids!
N. Tomorrow

lostakasha posts. She wrote B/A, y'all. I'm aquiver with excitement.
D. Does anybody know what happened to Spy!Daddy? I mean, that show, Justice, that used to come on after Bones?
E. Speaking of Bones, this ep was a little hard to watch for me because sometimes every woman I know seems so intent on changing themselves, especially getting thinner. It makes me sad. Also, I'm doing this writing thing where I have to do body modification research, and it's really icky. Like, some of the photos I looked at, with men and 19" waists. I think that's why I'm nauseous.
R. On the other hand, DB. Fuck, that man's arms. No, seriously. I'd do 'em.
E. S4 of AtS OWNS me. It owns me like an owning thing. And long, woe-is-me, what-am-I-now, on-and-on, in-the-church monologues, which JM and that whole scene just, I'm sorry, utterly lamed up for me, VK and that whole other scene made shiny and new for me.
L. Did you guys know T.J. Thyne (Hodgins from Bones) was on AtS?
L. I hate Angel's hair at the beginning of S5. And his clothes.
A. On Oprah, Denzel Washington talked about the art of a single perfect tear.
! Do you guys think Baltar, Joaquin Phoenix, and VK have an uncanny ability to cry?

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S4 of AtS OWNS me.

It is, hands down, the best season of television in the HISTORY OF TELEVISION. Nothing will ever, ever, ever again be that good. VK is the kind of talented that is actually SCARY.

Do you guys think Baltar, Joaquin Phoenix, and VK have an uncanny ability to cry?

There is absolutely something about certain actors and the way they cry. Like, William Dafoe. Or Ed Harris. They GUT me.

It is, hands down, the best season of television in the HISTORY OF TELEVISION. Nothing will ever, ever, ever again be that good. VK is the kind of talented that is actually SCARY.

I loved it when I saw it the first time around, but I don't think I really managed to feel it all because I wanted so much to know what was going to happen (I knew the general outline, but no specifics). And I don't rewatch often because even with things I love, I usually feel like they might lose their shine or something. But anyway, this time around, god, I felt like every episode left me with bruises. Particularly the Jasmine ones--the first time I saw them I didn't know Connor wasn't under her spell. Then I knew, and thought about it a lot, but it's different *watching* and knowing. It's fucking painful. And yeah VK really managed to carry, like, everything. Most of the times he didn't even need to say anything; every single layer of lie and terrible truth was there on his face and in his body. gah

Like, William Dafoe. Or Ed Harris.

I don't think I've ever seen either one of them cry! Huh. Must've not been watching the right movies. Baltar and Joaquin Phoenix don't gut me; I'm just amazed by how often they seem to be able to call up tears. VK too. They get this shiny eyed look.

Liam Neeson and Samantha Morton gut me when they cry. Now that's a weird combination.

I felt like every episode left me with bruises.

Yes, yes, yes. And in various ways. There's the tragedy of every one of the those characters' storylines, and then there's the amazingness and complexities of the relationships and the way the dialogue zings and zings and makes little squees of delight go off in two dozen different parts of your brain. And everything. I re-watched it when I came back from the VK con and really, I was the kind of wide-eyed and hinged-jawed at how even more incredible Connor was the second time around. And this is ME talking here.

Baltar and Joaquin Phoenix don't gut me; I'm just amazed by how often they seem to be able to call up tears. VK too. They get this shiny eyed look.

The thing for me is not the ability to call up tears, but the sincerity with which they're able to cry. There's nothing artificial in the way that VK and Phoenix and the guy who plays Baltar cry. They all have this thing where their whole faces crumple up and their shoulder hunch inward and their whole bodies sort of shake and the *reaility* of those moments gets me every time.

then there's the amazingness and complexities of the relationships and the way the dialogue zings and zings and makes little squees of delight go off in two dozen different parts of your brain.

Exactly. I've spent a lot of time, since I've become familiar with the canon, digging out mirrors and playing in parallels, looking for the parts where so-and-so is a stand in for someone else and a reflection of yet another, and I watched this again and yeah, suddenly there were so many new and different things that tied knots and threads to each other. Interconnectivity always really gets me high.

even more incredible Connor was the second time around. And this is ME talking here.

ha, yeah, I didn't know you could find him more incredible. ;o)

There's nothing artificial in the way that VK and Phoenix and the guy who plays Baltar cry.

The thing is with all three of them that sometimes I think they are so truly *in* it that they have no idea their eyes are even filling.

But, I must say, Baltar crying does not get to me. It just makes me want to slap him around and tell him to buck the fuck up.

VK with the tears, I'd give him my kidneys if it would make him not be sad. And . . . that's kinda gross.

And long, woe-is-me, what-am-I-now, on-and-on, in-the-church monologues, which JM and that whole scene just, I'm sorry, utterly lamed up for me, VK and that whole other scene made shiny and new for me.

Yeah. That's because VK is a much, much better actor than JM.

I think JM is a pretty good actor most of the time.

But VK is genius. Really.

Marsters occasionally ~~goes down on~~ chews scenery.

VK fucking owns the monologue genre. :)

I missed the scenery blow job, I guess. I always get so bored two seconds into that bit that I just wait for SMG's face to break when Spike says "Angel", then I like, clean my nails or something.

VK fucking owns the monologue genre. :)

In general, I dislike monologue. In general, I dislike M.E. monologues--they write dialogue and people playing of each other so much better. In general, although I love the meaning behind it, I think they could've done better with the script for that scene.

But VK? Took all of that and made it amazing anyway. He really, really, really worked it.

He really did. He made pretty much everything he was in look better. That's kind of his skill, being the one awesome thing in sucky situations.

Marsters was able to do that when acting against someone, because he has chemistry with, like, bricks, but alone he couldn't pull it out the way VK does.

Marsters was able to do that when acting against someone, because he has chemistry with, like, bricks, but alone he couldn't pull it out the way VK does.

Yeah, that's it exactly. JM needs to play off someone. VK could act in a vacuum.

And hey, sometimes he has to. ha!

Well, acting off Carpenter those last couple times...*ba dum bum!*

ha, that's exactly what I was thinking.

I. The IWRY Marathon kicked off today! The story is Letters, by Jo (librarian2003). I haven't read it yet, but I'm really excited because Jo's a fabulous writer. She's one of the first Jossverse fic authors I've ever read! So hop to it, kids!
Letters was F****ng awesome! A great start to IWRY.

R. On the other hand, DB. Fuck, that man's arms. No, seriously. I'd do 'em.

Stand in line, dude! He's mine! :~))

L. Did you guys know T.J. Thyne (Hodgins from Bones) was on AtS?

Yep, I did. *smug*

E. S4 of AtS OWNS me. It owns me like an owning thing. And long, woe-is-me, what-am-I-now, on-and-on, in-the-church monologues, which JM and that whole scene just, I'm sorry, utterly lamed up for me, VK and that whole other scene made shiny and new for me.
The church monologue of VK's was superb. I hated Connor as in supposed to hate his character, which means he did a brilliant job of acting the part. Kudos to the boy. JM's was yawn worthy.

There. Said me piece, will leave you in same...

Hugs

L. I hate Angel's hair at the beginning of S5. And his clothes.
I heard he was still filming Wicked Prayer and his hair was in keeping with his character. The clothes though, sucked big time! What were they thinking? Trying to make their star, unwatchable? Never happen, in my opinion.

Oops. Sorry, my add on went to the end and not where it was supposed to go.
*slinks away*

Stand in line, dude! He's mine! :~))

Yeah, but I'll take just his arms!

I hated Connor as in supposed to hate his character,

Uh. Um? What I love so damn much about VK is Connor is fucked up, behaves like a little shit a lot of the time, behaves what seems like selfishly, corruptly, evilly. But VK shows with every moment exactly why Connor is like that: Connor has no conception of what good is or what love is supposed to be. In the end you find out his most devastating actions were out of a desire to bring people happiness--not even his *own* damn happiness, but for others. He's completely corrupted and completely innocent. *sniffles* I love him.

Never happen, in my opinion.

Yup. I'd even watch him in that bad seventies disco wig they made him wear for that one flashback in "Orpheus".

Yup. I'd even watch him in that bad seventies disco wig they made him wear for that one flashback in "Orpheus".

That was a wig? :~))

You mean it was extensions?

Or a mop.

R. Ok, DB and those arms...normally I'd be wanting to do 'em too but, I dunno. Tonight's episode they were just TOO muscular for me. It's all a matter of personal taste but in that last scene they were ridiculously huge. I shall find screencaps ASAP. Hee.

E. I've come to really appreciate S4 of AtS. They had a really interesting seasonal arc set up and I love fucked up Connor. Absolutely brilliant. And yeah, totally better than JM's scene where he just chews up the scenery. Jeez.

L. Of course! Conviction, right?
L. Yes, his hair is awful. DB doesn't look too good in S5 which is part of the reason I don't really rewatch the season. How shallow am I, eh? But in my defense, that season in general is kinda dull to me.

! I wonder at Baltar's continual crying every time he's on screen. Like, seriously. Can you say PUSSY? =)

R. I do understand what you mean. He's looking really beefy these days. But I like that. Um, a lot. I just don't like it when the muscles are all separated and rippley and ew, outlined and everything. The other thing is that unlike those bodybuilder guys, DB doesn't have one of those fake tans. I love his milky arm skin. Oops, frool.

E. I musta missed the part where he chewed scenery.

L. I love S5. I love the way DB looks in S5. I just don't like the way they did his hair for the first half, or the way they dressed him.

! Baltar is totally a pussy! He's supposed to be.

Thanks for the kind words, tkp.. *Blushes*

*Slinks away before you have chance to be disappointed with 'Letters'*...

Oh, and yes, I knew about TJ Thyne, too...

Jo

Oh, I know I'm not going to be disappointed! But it's long, so I'm waiting til this weekend . . . can't wait. I love your B/A so much. Eeee! I love November.

Um... yeah, I wrote a story for IWRY, but ... uh... *shivers with fear* it's a departure.

Watching 4 x22 right now. God, it's just ... beyond words, even now. Will always be. But I have a serious problem with JM in S5. They should have re-hired Kartheiser. That was a worse mistake than making DB unattractive. Just IMO, that's all. VK deserved to be in S5, and is such a superior actor and presence -- the decision to drop him still makes me shake my head.

An TJ Thyne? Yeah...he was in 3 eps! Mah woobie!

JM in S5 was a TOTAL waste for me. I just couldn't connect. And fucked up Connor. So fun.

You know, I never know if I'm going to get flamed for expressing that opinion -- good to know I'm not the only one. I saw AtS backwards, discovering it in Season 5, so I fell in love with S5 DB first ... all the rest was very lovely gravy.

Um... yeah, I wrote a story for IWRY, but ... uh... *shivers with fear* it's a departure.

*drools all over you* That was motherfuckin brilliant, A.

I have a serious problem with JM in S5. They should have re-hired Kartheiser. That was a worse mistake than making DB unattractive. Just IMO, that's all. VK deserved to be in S5, and is such a superior actor and presence -- the decision to drop him still makes me shake my head.

Okay, so here's my think. In the world of AtS, there was no good reason for Spike to be in L.A., no good reason for that whole amulet business yada yada. BUT, for me, from viewer perspective and if I was M.E., there're several good reasons: comedy, Spike is unfailingly likeable, and most of all, the A/S dynamic. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a big A/S h0r--Angel has a dynamic with Spike he does not have with any other canonical character. He shows sides of Angel we really don't get to see all that often.

And the thing about Spike? Is he's like that with everyone. He picks people apart and shows them their underwear, and if they'd've gotten to do a longer run of AtS they could've used him against ALL the other characters in AtS to great effect. I really believe that character-wise, the addition of Spike was one of the better things they ever did.

Another thing for my is I love what they did with Connor in "Home". Angel doing that spell for Connor just says so much about who Angel is, and I love the idea of Connor getting a chance at a happy life. I'm not sure I could've stood Connor going on on the same track. Even if they did have ANgel do the spell from "Home," then did an ep like "Origin" right near the opening of S5 so they could have Connor kinda half in the life, my heart would be so shreddy because I got so little time to think of him as being Happy.

What I'd've most liked to've seen, though, would've been "Origin" coming earlier in S5, and VK guesting in several big eps. Then THERE WOULD'VE BEEN AN S6, and Lorne would've been off it, and VK back on. And COnnor would be dealing with his new life/old life issues, which even though we only get to see in NFA, I freaking love. It's like Buffy and all her issues ON STERIODS. God. God, I love that boy. S4 is so awesome. I'm still all high on just finishing it. Sorry for the ramble!

Didn't see Bones yet so I can't speak to David's arms or any other part of his body, but I was attracted when we had chubby Angel with the bad hair. So I suspect, he will own me once more when I finally watch the epi.

S4 Angel is by FAR my most favorite season of Ats. Not since S2 Buffy (IMO) did the Joss team do such a good job of keeping the story flying along. I loved the twists and turns and the whole Connor thing was really disturbing. VK is very good, particularly in that last ep. Gah.

When was Hodgins on AtS? How did I miss that?

Hugs.

TJ played Lawyer #1 in the first ep of season 5 (He's the lawyer that comes up to Angel in the alley and asks him if he wants his car or a latte), then in Life of The Party (bitching to lorne about how dull the shindig is), and very, very briefly, at the beginning of You're Welcome when Cordy gets off the elevator inthe W&H lobby.

He's sweetcheeked (uh, okay, beardless) in these eps, so that's why you prolly didn't catch him.

Awesome. Thanks!

Bones was definitely a disturbing episode to watch, the young children, their parents, willing to do ANYTHING to winning a bloody beauty pageant? Dyed hair at 8? I've actually...never even dyed my hair before.

Haha I'm having a hard time following your ramblings :P But if you're saying that long rambly speechifying Spike/JM is lame? Then yes I agree, Church scene inclusive.

When was TJ on ATS?

Not many people liked long haired DB, but I think it's because he was filming the Crow in which he had long hair. His clothes made him look like a box. You can't a man with those wide wide wide shoulders in a suit like that.

Uh...not sure about the others, but VK is definitely a good cryer.

I've tried dying my hair red, but it's too dark to work.

if you're saying that long rambly speechifying Spike/JM is lame? Then yes I agree, Church scene inclusive.

Well, sometimes Spike goes off on long rambles, JM is fabulous, like the teaser to "In the Dark."

What I meant was that the church scene with JM made me feel a long monologue in a church dealing with issues of self doubt just couldn't be pulled off without being lame and boring. VK's execution of a similar church monologue changed my feelings on that point.

Not many people liked long haired DB, but I think it's because he was filming the Crow in which he had long hair. His clothes made him look like a box. You can't a man with those wide wide wide shoulders in a suit like that.

He could be okay long haired, but the way they styled it was some 70s disco shit.

Bones costumers put DB in square suits and he looks damn fine. The problem was they weren't fitted right, and the shirts they had him wear beneath them were godawful. Imo.

Well, sometimes Spike goes off on long rambles, JM is fabulous, like the teaser to "In the Dark."

Heh, that's a different kind of monologue which I don't consider "speechifying". That's just me, because I don't see JM as a great dramatic actor, but of course to each their own.

VK's execution of a similar church monologue changed my feelings on that point.

Yes he was excellent, and he can cry at the drop of a hat.

It wasn't as...boxy and the pin stripes didn't really help. Plus he wore jackets that were not only square, but LONG square, just straight up and down with no shape.

And yes, god yes it was bad.

I just don't find S5 DB chubby. Maybe because I can't help but think of that period as just the transition between the comparitively slim body he had in say, S1 of BtVS, and the great big beefcake body he has now; the extra weight is just filling out. I dunno

If you think he was slim in S1 of Buffy, he is as slim in S2 of Bones. I like him either way. S1 of Angel, IMO, he is at his sexiest and hottest, but then I am biased. I'll take him slim or bulkier. He is still one hunk of sex on legs.

I have to agree with several people's comments about his gwad-awful shirts they made him wear in S5. The early eps of S5 his shirts were great, and then they went downhill very fast. I mean to say, he wore *that* striped shirt for two whole episodes, Hole in the World and Shells. It wasn't pretty. In the wrestling ep. the deep blue shirt he had on when he was wandering the dark rooms of W&H, was damned fine!
Don't get me started on his clothing when he was in Rome!!!!

I didn't think JM in the church was lame, probably because it had a nekkid Spike draping himself on a cross and sizzling. Seriously, that was all I needed. I will watch Spike act against a wall. Or in a box. (or with a fox!)

I think DB was kind of... unkempt or something, the last few years. Physically. But see, he's always too "big" for me, as you know, and until recently he's only exacerbated that for me (esp. with his HUGE NECK). I haven't seen Bones but I've seen the *pictures* which have convinced me he is much nicer looking now and less box-like.

Spike was pointless in S5 AtS. As in, I watched for him, and didn't get what I wanted (though I liked Connor coming back, and Fred/Illyria stuff).

I tried to like the church scene. I felt I should because it was big and sweeping and melodramatic and I dunno, soul-having. But yeah it's not only boring to me but godawful to sit through.

God. God, DB has a sexy neck. He has this fabulous adam's apple. Seriously. I want an icon with an arrow to his larynx saying I'd do that.

DB on Bones looks just as boxy to me. What's better, even more boxy. I mean his shoulders. They're like a front door. Am I getting drool on you? I don't really care. Apparently I'm a slathering pantyfan. But, his face did narrow up again some.

I love Spike in S5. I can see how if you love the B/S dynamic how you might not like him so much here. He was used more for comedic effect and how he plays off others rather than his own personal issues. I think though that if the series had gone on, we've seen a lot more of Spike's innards. Um, in a good way.

Connor coming back is my favorite ep of that season. OMG IT KILLS ME.

Sometimes I wish they'd gotten a S6 just for the sake of Illyria. They could've killed everyone else off, kept her, and I'd've still been pretty happy. She's just so fucking badass. And AA is so tremendous.

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